Mace vs Vader sabers only

The guy had to change his style because he was old. So he was obviously more agile as a young bloke

Seems like he was more powerful/skilled as of TPM though.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Seems like he was more powerful/skilled as of TPM though.

Just seems logical given he's adapting his form to suit his diminishing physique meaning he has to incorporate elements from other forms and expand his lightsaber knowledge along with the general increase in power Force users seem to undergo as they grow older.

Pretty sure Jinn acknowledged in the TPM novelization that he was over the hill.

And I don't see why his need to retool his style around his limitations would make him stronger except some platitude about hardship making you stronger or whatever.

Quote?

Expanding knowledge base in other lightsaber forms.

Don't have the quote with me; about to go to bed.

But if expanding his knowledge base with a new style was a net improvement over giving up his previous style due to physical limitations, he would've just done that when he was younger anyway. Unless if you think he was just lazy, or naive.

Often times hardships are a good motivator for trying new things that will ultimately benefit you more in the long run. ( I hope you didn't miss the joke there ).

Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order. The Jedi Master he had trained under had considered him one of the best the Master had taught in his more than four hundred years in the order. Qui-Gon had fought in conflicts all across the galaxy in the span of his life and against odds so great that many others would not have stood a chance. He had survived battles that had tested his skill and resolve in every conceivable way.

But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi- Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger. Qui-Gon was nearing sixty; his youth was behind him and his strength was beginning to diminish. His edge now, to the extent that he had one, came from his long experience and intuitive grasp of how an adversary might employ a lightsaber against him.
-- The Phantom Menace

Always took that to mean physical strength given it references youth the sentence before. Guess it could be taken as overall combative strength by some though.

The point was that physical strength used to be the core of his technique, but since that diminished, he had to change his style somewhat and his edge was now mostly from experience.

His stamina was also compromised.

Yep. Always thought he made up for that with a great base of lightsaber knowledge, force knowledge and growth in power.

He already had that knowledge, so it doesn't exactly "make up".

No, his strength declined. That's directly stated. It's also proof that growth in power doesn't necessarily make up for declining physicals.

I'm saying him being forced to adapt his form would make for an increase in lightsaber knowledge as he expands his knowledge base to alter his fighting style to better suit his more elderly physique.

Well his "strength" decreased yes. Whether you take that as physical strength or something else is up to you. We know that physical frailty can be made up for with use of augmentation.

I'm pretty sure he's just making it more lax. He's still using Ataru, foolishly enough, rather than retraining to use Niman or something.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova

Well his "strength" decreased yes. Whether you take that as physical strength or something else is up to you. We know that physical frailty can be made up for with use of augmentation.

It's obviously his net physical strength that declined. If it was just his bodily strength and his Force augmentation could make up for that, he wouldn't be complaining about it, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's obviously his net physical strength that declined. If it was just his bodily strength and his Force augmentation could make up for that, he wouldn't be complaining about it, lol.

Perhaps he doesn't want to spend force reserves on increasing physical strength specifically. *Shrug*

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Perhaps he doesn't want to spend force reserves on increasing physical strength specifically. *Shrug*

I'm pretty sure he'd rather spend a bit more of his Force reserves to make up for his age than to retool his fighting style completely. And he wouldn't change his fighting technique unless he absolutely needed to.

You're reaching now.

Or perhaps he evolved his fighting style to better suit the altered capabilities he has as of TPM.

Not really. I'm simply looking at possible reasons for his actions and explaining what I think is a likely possibility counter to the one you're presenting. Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're not. It's not a subject I really care about finding the truth or most likely outcome on the matter since I don't find the merits of debating when Jinn's prime was to be all that important.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Or perhaps he evolved his fighting style to better suit the altered capabilities he has as of TPM.

Not really. I'm simply looking at possible reasons for his actions and explaining what I think is a likely possibility counter to the one you're presenting. Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're not. It's not a subject I really care about finding the truth on the matter since I don't find the merits of debating when Jinn's prime was to be all that important.

The altered capabilities being reduced capabilities in strength, yes, which he could also suit by investing more of his Force reserves.

It makes *no* sense whatsoever for someone to simply refuse to invest more of their Force reserves to sustain their fighting technique and instead fall back on a more lax one. Just as it makes no sense for him to complain about his decreasing physical strength if his growing power could counteract that.