Originally posted by Newjak
I feel like this should be the open and closing statement of this thread.Not much more needs to be said. Yes there are barbaric Islamic cultures but there are similar Christian ones. People seem so willing to dismiss Africa. Honestly I think the correct answer is not which religion is better for women. It's more which countries has evolved enough not to let their theological leanings allow them to dominate a gender.
Make no mistake their have been plenty of brutal Christain nations throughout history that have treated women like garbage, objectified being, and second class citizens.
No, this isn't really all that needs to be said. What needs to be said are things like: In countries considered "moderate" Muslim countries like Indonesia they have the two finger test for women who want to join the army.
You can surely talk about the various countries in Africa, but Indonesia is no longer considered a 3rd world country, so that excuse goes away too.
Nobody said Christianity was perfect, especially in the past. But if I was a female in the present day I would choose to live in a first world country dominated by Christians over one dominated by Muslims.
It is easy to say religion doesn't play a significant role, but we need to stop tippy toeing around this stuff. Since religion plays a bigger part than most want to admit. Why? Because we're so damn worried about offending somebody. Except with Islam you have to worry about them shooting you in the face if you offend them or their horrid religion. The sickest part? Via their religion, that type of behavior is REWARDED.
Originally posted by SurturI really wouldn't consider Indonesia a first world country. They are getting closer but still has some growing to do.
No, this isn't really all that needs to be said. What needs to be said are things like: In countries considered "moderate" Muslim countries like Indonesia they have the two finger test for women who want to join the army.You can surely talk about the various countries in Africa, but Indonesia is no longer considered a 3rd world country, so that excuse goes away too.
Nobody said Christianity was perfect, especially in the past. But if I was a female in the present day I would choose to live in a first world country dominated by Christians over one dominated by Muslims.
It is easy to say religion doesn't play a significant role, but we need to stop tippy toeing around this stuff. Since religion plays a bigger part than most want to admit. Why? Because we're so damn worried about offending somebody. Except with Islam you have to worry about them shooting you in the face if you offend them or their horrid religion. The sickest part? Via their religion, that type of behavior is REWARDED.
And I'm not saying religion doesn't play a significant role it clearly can. I think people tend to forget that religion including Christianity generally play negative roles. It's not about offending someone. It's about calling a spade a spade and the truth is Islam and Christianity have both traditionally been pretty bad for women. It's only in countries that have started to separate the religion from the government where good strides have been made. This includes modrrn Christianity in Africa.
Indoesia isn't 3rd world though, and before the reason used was "it's just due to them being 3rd world countries". Plus remember: Indonesia is a place that people have held up as an example of a moderate muslims.
Since the truth is both have been bad, but if we're calling spades spades that should come with the acknowledgement that modern day Islam is worse.
It is fine to acknowledge both religions have caused plenty of suffering in the past, but I also feel we do a disservice to those who have suffered at the hands of the Islamic faith if we try to pretend like both are equally bad at the present time.