Qui Gon Jinn vs Dark Woman

The amount of sources doesn't reflect how long the fight takes. In all media, it's clear that Qui-Gon vs Maul is a protracted fight.

I know how strong the Dark Woman is. Vader's stronger than, say, Maul, but as I recall, that didn't really show up when the two of them fought. And while Maul was stronger than Qui-Gon, Qui-Gon did send shudders through Maul's body when the two clashed blades.

Also, how much of the fight against Vader was her actually fighting? I recall her abusing esoteric powers, but when it came to actual fighting, she tired faster than Qui-Gon did against Maul in the TPM comic (which I assume would be the most comparable source).

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That aside, let's also try to remember who DW fought and how casually he nearly disarmed experienced duelists.

Yea... I know Vader is physically stronger than Maul, but somehow I find this:

Episode I Journal: Darth Maul
Our blows send shudders through my body. He meets my strength.

considerably more impressive than this:

It didn't seem as how An'ya was tiring, just Vader was physically overpowering her via the Aurra Sing treatment.

An'ya was obviously exhausted by the end. The part where she's blocking a blow before the tree comes down on her - she looks incredibly desperate.

1. It does matter. More material adds more detail to the fight. But we can agree to disagree if you want.

2. It did when she blocked that awkward af attack. Disregarding that shes certainly faster than Jinn given her fight with Vader. /shrug

3. When did she abuse her powers? Barring that singular moment?

Originally posted by SunRazer
An'ya was obviously exhausted by the end. The part where she's blocking a blow before the tree comes down on her - she looks incredibly desperate.

Because she's against a wall(well tree, actually) against one of the prime Jedi killers in the Star Wars universe, after sustaining an injury from H2H combat, maybe?

1. It doesn't matter when all material portray it as a long fight.

2. How? She used teleportation and other things against Vader. How does that make her faster?

3. The fight was drawn out because of her use of teleportation and Plant Surge. The rest of the duel itself isn't much.

Originally posted by MythLord
Because she's against a wall(well tree, actually) against one of the prime Jedi killers in the Star Wars universe, after sustaining an injury from H2H combat, maybe?

I only recall him ripping the lightsaber out of her hand, but I could be remembering things wrong.

Being against a tree makes no difference?

Originally posted by SunRazer
I only recall him ripping the lightsaber out of her hand, but I could be remembering things wrong.

Being against a tree makes no difference?

She also got thrown a considerable difference, and this was seconds before she got punched in the face by Vader.

I was speaking figuratively that she's cornered, and thus desperate.

She got punched in the face before she got floored by Vader :/

Amusingly enough, this was while An'ya was striking at Vader from above with two hands while Vader was on his back holding his lightsaber with one arm that was being yanked downward by the vines entangling it, and Vader still managed to completely overpower her strength, smack her across the face, and send her running.

An'ya pushed him back in the bladelock; Vader only gained an advantage upon using H2H. So great, An'ya isn't as strong as someone who can nearly disarm Galen in one swing, what else is new?

I also doubt the vines would've, at this point, in any way hindered Vader given how easily he rips them off. They served as a brief distraction initially, but by the time he hurled An'ya, he's hardly going to be restrained by them.

Ok. What comic did you guys read? She's never used teleportation in that comic? Wtf?

@dmb. He crushed her hand didn't he?

I think they're referring to the moment where she appears to use Fold Space, going from behind Vader into a waterfall behind him.

She ****ing leapt into the waterfalls lmao.

Bad art, then, lol. She leapt backwards, then we have Vader and her clashing blades, and then she's suddenly behind the waterfall with Vader sensing her coming from behind him.

She literally goes from in front of Vader to behind him before Vader can even turn around.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Bad art, then, lol. She leapt backwards, then we have Vader and her clashing blades, and then she's suddenly behind the waterfall with Vader sensing her coming from behind him.

She literally goes from in-front of Vader to behind him before Vader can even turn around.

Really? Are you sure? Imma look at the comic again cuz I swear she leaps back

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111137054/4005232-star+wars+tales+02-020.jpg

As I said, she's magically going from in front of Vader to behind him before he could move (it looks like Vader's holding his lightsaber in the same place, too, let alone failing to turn around). Unless she teleported, that would mean she leapt faster than he could react. Which makes no sense.

I mean its entirely possible(meh)

But we've seen Fold in action and this isn't it. I'd argue we just have a showing of Force Speed? I guess? Idfk.

Like, we have Vader in one instance on his back, being restrained by vines, with one hand on his lightsaber (the worst situation for leverage imaginable), and he still physically overpowered her and had her running before he even finished freeing himself from the vines.

In another instance, we have Vader, while unarmed, martially dominating an An'ya Kuro who is in fact armed with a lightsaber, grabbing her by the part of her body closest to her lightsaber blade, picking her up, and throwing her into the ground.

She very clearly isn't in any way comparable with Darth Vader as a martial combatant, and quite frankly Qui-Gon matching Maul's strength much more well has me inclined to say that he's the noticeable physical superior of the two.

I would like to ask the OP to clarify the setting of this match-up however, on neutral ground An'ya can't really pull any tricks like plant manipulation or use ambush tactics, and has no TK feats to speak of, so she'd fall to Qui-Gon's blade in that instance. With environmental factors at work though that changes up the game.