There's no way she went from in front of Vader to behind him before he could even move his lightsaber, let alone turn around. That's a blitz-tier speed disparity.
She teleported. I mean, she knows bullshit like Phase. It's not hard to imagine that she also knows this.
EDIT: Wookieepedia claims she used Teleport in Republic: Emissaries to Malastare. So she does know it.
People are seriously overestimating Jinn's performance against Maul here. First of all he did not match Maul's strength only "met it" - instead its actually remarked by Maul that he "cannot match my strength". And the only reason he lasted so long against Maul on Naboo was because Maul let him. Instead in a 1 v 1 on Tatooine (where Maul was slowed by an injured leg), he had Jinn dead to rights within 30 seconds, and Qui-Gon was left completely pooped after the fact:
Taken from The Phantom Menance novelisationGiven that, Fated is right, Jinn's strength doesn't compare to Vader's in any way, and in a showdown with Darth Vader he would have got tanked and spanked to an embarrassing degree. Certainly not succeeding in overpowering the Dark Lord where Kuro failed.Qui-Gon had barely managed to scramble up the rampway and into the interior of the ship before the hatch sealed and the Nubian began to accelerate. He lay on the cool metal floor of the entry, his clothing dusty and damp with his sweat, his body bruised and battered. He breathed deeply, waiting for his pounding heart to quiet. He had barely escaped with his life, and the thought was worrisome. His opponent was strong and had tested him severely. He was getting old, he decided, and he did not like the feeling.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
People are seriously overestimating Jinn's performance against Maul here. First of all he did not match Maul's strength only "met it" - instead its actually remarked by Maul that he "cannot match my strength". And the only reason he lasted so long against Maul on Naboo was because Maul let him. Instead in a 1 v 1 on Tatooine (where Maul was slowed by an injured leg), he had Jinn dead to rights within 30 seconds, and Qui-Gon was left completely pooped after the fact:
Given that, Fated is right, Jinn's strength doesn't compare to Vader's in any way, and in a showdown with Darth Vader he would have got tanked and spanked to an embarrassing degree. Certainly not succeeding in overpowering the Dark Lord where Kuro failed.
No one insinuated that Qui-Gon would overpower Vader. I assume you're referring to DMB wth the part about matching strength.
However, Qui-Gon sending shudders throughout Maul's body with their every blade clash suggests they're very close in strength, as opposed to the Dark Woman clearly straining every time she clashes blades with Vader and seemingly not even affecting Vader with her strength in the slightest, even when she was on the attack and with considerable buildup.
Regardless, Qui-Gon seems to have the better accolades as well. As a warrior, it appears like Qui-Gon is An'ya's better. The Dark Woman would probably triumph in an environment favorable to her, but otherwise, I'm backing Qui-Gon here.
Originally posted by SunRazerDMB's argument rests on the assumption that Jinn would have done better than Kuro against Vader, particularly in that instance where she had him ensnared.
No one insinuated that Qui-Gon would overpower Vader. I assume you're referring to DMB wth the part about matching strength.
However, Qui-Gon sending shudders throughout Maul's body with their every blade clash suggests they're very close in strength, as opposed to the Dark Woman clearly straining every time she clashes blades with Vader and seemingly not even affecting Vader with her strength in the slightest, even when she was on the attack and with considerable buildup.Maul and Vader's strength are not equivalent in the slightest, so I don't know why you think this proves anything.
Regardless another misreading, the source material states that "Our blows send shudders through my body", something that proves nothing more than the fact that basic physics are in play, not that they are close in physical ability, they are not.
On the other hand, frankly? I find this to be more impressive:
http://i.imgur.com/p7EtYuw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FlEPP9P.jpg
Blocking a blow from Darth Vader in such a compromising position, and manage to escape him regardless demonstrates a level of strength in the Force I haven't seen from Jinn. And its no wonder that Vader regards her as a "worthy opponent" regardless, worthy even of being one of the Emperor's disciples.
Regardless, Qui-Gon seems to have the better accolades as well. As a warrior, it appears like Qui-Gon is An'ya's better. The Dark Woman would probably triumph in an environment favorable to her, but otherwise, I'm backing Qui-Gon here.Jinn's praise as a warrior makes for a better argument I'd agree, but I think Kuro is more powerful in the Force.
I feel that Grandpa Obi Wan stalemating Vader indicates that Gin will not be getting decimated instantly by the Dark Lord's strength. Vader and Maul - at least of TPM - aren't too dissimilar in strength and that's when looking at some of Maul's feats in Lockdown, where he's trying to suppress his Force connection.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless another misreading, the source material states that "Our blows send shudders through my body", something that proves nothing more than the fact that basic physics are in play, not that they are close in physical ability, they are not.
Our blows send shudders through my body. He meets my strength. Our lightsabers clash and sizzle.
Source: Episode I Journal: Darth Maul
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand, frankly? I find this to be more impressive:http://i.imgur.com/p7EtYuw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FlEPP9P.jpg
I find this more impressive than blocking a single strike.
Originally posted by ZiggystardustVader never demonstrated the all-out offense against Kenobi than he has against other adversaries, most likely a result of his cautious attitude as consequence of his defeat on Mustafar, nor is Jinn a master of Soresu.
I feel that Grandpa Obi Wan stalemating Vader indicates that Gin will not be getting decimated instantly by the Dark Lord's strength. Vader and Maul - at least of TPM - aren't too dissimilar in strength and that's when looking at some of Maul's feats in Lockdown, where he's trying to suppress his Force connection.
And Maul is going to need more than his Lockdown feats to compare with Vader lol, not when the power of his blows was enough to almost disarm Galen Marek.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanMeet =/= match, I've already explained how the same source states he cannot do that. This is also stated to be the case in the TPM novelisation:
Our blows send shudders through my body. He meets my strength. Our lightsabers clash and sizzle.
Source: Episode I Journal: Darth Maul😬
Worse, he was younger, quicker, and stronger than Qui-Gon, and he was gaining ground rapidly.
Why, when that's not Vader...I find this more impressive than blocking a single strike.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meet =/= match, I've already explained how the same source states he cannot do that. This is also stated to be the case in the TPM novelisation:
What you claimed is that they are not even close, which is obviously not true, since he met his strength.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why, when that's not Vader...
Your point? Blocking a ****ing strike is hardly more impressive than bitchslaping someone off of a bridge. Everyone and their dog can block strikes from Vader.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader never demonstrated the all-out offense against Kenobi than he has against other adversaries
Oh the excuses, the endless rationalisations, the poor arguments put forth too soothe the blemishes of a track record that doesn't match the fantasy. It's very simple, Vader is simply not overpowering high-tier duelists. Despite the rather sharp decline in skill - people argue Kenobi's out of his prime against Hett as a game changer - Obi Wan can swing, block and have his strikes parried without shudder or riposte, that is a fact. If anything, Vader has the advantage of knowing his senior's style, the same can't be said for the latter. If rusty old men can stalemate Vader, Qui Gon can do the same.
And Maul is going to need more than his Lockdown feats to compare with Vader lol
His Lockdown feats are fine, and really rather ridiculous considering the circumstances - lack of Force augmentation, nearly famished. It's possible that they even meet Vader's cybernetic wrists on their own.
not when the power of his blows was enough to almost disarm Galen Marek.
Galen Marek isn't a get out of jail free card, not as someone who needed a form advantage to beat Maris Brood, gets slapped about by a random imperial knight and can't defeat an old and decrepid Shakk Ti. And I'm pretty sure vader was bested by Failen, no?
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yeah. Even i feel like going in for Chemotherapy
Roll call:
Ignorance is sweet for the soul, as they say in Kurdish. We’ll let the dear public decide.
How is it you remained an amateur at this after so long? I guess just being half trained by @darthant66 is still more than you can handle
Do you wish to continue? I’d consider these next steps very carefully, old friend. You’ve built something of a reputation here, it would be a shame to see it tarnished by such careless comments. If I were you I’d would end this argument here and attempt to save face.
I know more about Aurra Sing then you do, I’ve gone through every source and appearance. What can you conceive that I’ve not already thought of?
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Originally posted by cs_zoltanRight, as in he met him head on, as opposed to deflecting or evading his attacks, hence the vibrations caused by the collision. Not as in he matched his physical abilities, which it is stated (and shown) that he did not do.
What you claimed is that they are not even close, which is obviously not true, since he met his strength.
Glad we cleared that one up.
Your point? Blocking a ****ing strike is hardly more impressive than bitchslaping someone off of a bridge. Everyone and their dog can block strikes from Vader.My point being that if Maul had been Vader he probably wouldn't have so much as flinched. Which is supposed to be more impressive than back-handing an opening attack from the man who almost disarmed Marek (hit me up when Maul has anything strength wise that remotely compares), and getting away with it. Not convinced.
