Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Want to know where I in all seriousness put Zonakin? Somewhere between Vader and Caedus. At most.
So you think Caedus could've destroyed Dooku in every capacity, to the point of rendering every aspect of his abilities and character pointless, in like twelve seconds?
Well, thanks for conceding that Caedus >>> Galen, seeing as how ANH Vader couldn't even dominate old Ben Kenobi.
Yeah I think he could given he would have decapitated Kyle Katarn in about 10 seconds whilst dueling 3 other Jedi.
I do believe Caedus > Galen actually as of my updated rankings. If you think a character's capabilities is dictated by their performance against another character who's abilities are dictated off there performance again then thanks for conceding you're a literal retard.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yeah I think he could given he would have decapitated Kyle Katarn in about 10 seconds whilst dueling 3 other Jedi.
What has Kyle done to put him on Dooku's level?
Pretty much nobody has ever beaten someone on Dooku's tier in a duel as thoroughly as Zonakin did. It's basically unprecedented. The best comparison we have is RotS Palpatine vs. pre-vaapad Windu, which was arguably not as heavy a curbstomp as Zonakin vs. Dooku.
I do believe Caedus > Galen actually as of my updated rankings. If you think a character's capabilities is dictated by their performance against another character who's abilities are dictated off there performance again then thanks for conceding you're a literal retard.
Um, no? Obi Wan is a common variable among these comparisons; or rather, the change from RotS to ANH is explicitly a decline and therefore strengthens my point. So in your world, Vader ~ Zonakin >>>>> Dooku >>>>> Obi Wan (RotS) > Obi Wan (ANH) ~ Vader; don't you see a problem there?
I don't have Kyle on Dooku level. I have him approaching there though.
Considering Mace was incapable of even reacting as his allies were blitzed around him and could only initially respond upon assuming a defensive stance, I would disagree.
Um, yes? It notes he declines as a swordsman which is only logical. It notes he increases in power.
In my world Zonakin > Vader > Dooku > RotS Obi Wan.
With ANH Obi Wan falling where somewhere below Vader overall though I haven't given him a specific placement due to the multiple factors at play in his and Vader's fight.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I don't have Kyle on Dooku level. I have him around there.
Based on what?
Considering Mace was incapable of even reacting as his allies were blitzed around him and could only initially respond upon assuming a defensive stance, I would disagree.
His situation was not described in the utterly hopeless manner that Dooku's was. He was on the defensive and having difficulties reacting; Dooku's entire life was being rendered pointless by Anakin's existence.
Um, yes? It notes he declines as a swordsman which is only logical. It notes he increases in power.
Who are you talking about? If you're not going to use the quote function I'm going to need some context.
In my world Zonakin > Vader > Dooku > RotS Obi Wan.
You're basically suggesting that Yoda was holding back against Dooku to the point of going from Sidious-tier to Vader-tier. I'd like some evidence.
With ANH Obi Wan falling where somewhere below Vader overall though I haven't given him a specific placement due to the multiple factors at play in his and Vader's fight.
No, he's below RotS Obi Wan - that's a fact. And I would like to know what these "multiple factors at play" are.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Maul destroyed Savage even harder than Sidious did. Is he above Plagueis-level too?
Maul destroyed a weaker Savage harder than a toying Sidious did a stronger one, yeah.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Well Yoda sparred with Dooku countless times, so Dooku has a good familiarity with his style, while on the other hand Anakin has a stylistic edge over the Count.Shit comparison is shit. Kys Nova.
And Yoda doesn't have familiarity with Dooku's style? Dooku's also fought Anakin and other Djem So users before - so he's hardly unfamiliar there. Not to mention sparring a lot with Grievous, who is a avid user of "power moves".
Anakin's "stylistic edge" doesn't make up for the disparity. He was already seemingly moving faster and hitting harder than Yoda before the whole Zonakin part, so it seems like Anakin being the fastest and strongest Jedi is legitimate at this point. Yoda's more skilled, but Anakin's physicals are better, and when enraged, he looks to be better overall.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Based on what?His situation was not described in the utterly hopeless manner that Dooku's was. He was on the defensive and having difficulties reacting; Dooku's entire life was being rendered pointless by Anakin's existence.
Who are you talking about? If you're not going to use the quote function I'm going to need some context.
You're basically suggesting that Yoda was holding back against Dooku to the point of going from Sidious-tier to Vader-tier. I'd like some evidence.
No, he's below RotS Obi Wan - that's a fact. And I would like to know what these "multiple factors at play" are.
His defeat of an amped Desann.
I don't care about the flowery text that you and so many other have become entranced with. I care about the actions that were shown or described as taking place.
Ben Kenobi is noted to have grown in power.
Some evidence for what? The evidence is his two performances against Dooku being about the same. His amped one maybe being slightly better.
Vader having stated to have been holding back and fighting cautiously aware of his last fight with Ben Kenobi. You can think and hold any opinion you like but please do not try to pass it off as fact.