COIE Anti-Monitor vs. Ivory Kings

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet he withstood it! Supergirl was even able to weaken AM's armor! The Beyonders KILLED the Living Tribunal! most of reality's version of Eternity, Infinity, Galactus, The Celestials...and so on and so on....The Living Tribunal by himself is able to defeat COIE Anti Monitor! The beyonders weren't actually defeated by any being, but by the detonation of their own devices which Dr. Doom managed to collect! So isn't like any being was able to counter-power the Beyonders.

Dude, The Beyonders killed the Marvel Multiverse! The A Monitor didnt.

Jesus! No man! Just no!

Super girl damaged AM first armor, that's all. AM even killed her. AM was also deastroyed his brothers positive infinite Multiverse minus five.

Remember that their infinite Multiverse is divided into 2. The positive verse is ruled by the Monitor, while the Anti verse is ruled by Anti Monitor. The less verse they have, the weaker one becomes. That's why they was always a stalemate between the 2, until Anti began to systematically destroyed the positive verse, and weaken the Monitor. He doing that with his Amti Matter waves. The Anti waves were destroying universes and Multiverses left and right, and Anti was absorbing said energies and becoming more powerful.

End Of Time Anti is his strongest form. Hepowered by two infinite Multiverse. The Spectre that fought him was powered by every mages in the Universes and the a 5D imp.

Yes, Anti did end the two Infinte Multiverses. At the end of the crisis, they were only 5 Earth I believed was still around, and Alexander fused them and created one perfect Universe while he, Kal-L, his Lois and Superboy Prime left fro Alex's so called paradise.

So again, Anti did accomplished his goal of ending the Multiverses, he was just stopped at the end.

Empowered by the MULTI verse or INFINITE universes minus 5.

That is a sh1t ton of power. IMO

Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus! No man! Just no!

Super girl damaged AM first armor, that's all. AM even killed her. AM was also deastroyed his brothers positive infinite Multiverse minus five.

Remember that their infinite Multiverse is divided into 2. The positive verse is ruled by the Monitor, while the Anti verse is ruled by Anti Monitor. The less verse they have, the weaker one becomes. That's why they was always a stalemate between the 2, until Anti began to systematically destroyed the positive verse, and weaken the Monitor. He doing that with his Amti Matter waves. The Anti waves were destroying universes and Multiverses left and right, and Anti was absorbing said energies and becoming more powerful.

End Of Time Anti is his strongest form. Hepowered by two infinite Multiverse. The Spectre that fought him was powered by every mages in the Universes and the a 5D imp.

Yes, Anti did end the two Infinte Multiverses. At the end of the crisis, they were only 5 Earth I believed was still around, and Alexander fused them and created one perfect Universe while he, Kal-L, his Lois and Superboy Prime left fro Alex's so called paradise.

So again, Anti did accomplished his goal of ending the Multiverses, he was just stopped at the end.

Okay Okay Okay! Supergirl manage to damage the AM's armor! The Ivory kings faced ALL the cosmic beings! Only the Celestials are more powerful than supergirl. Now imagine Eternity, Master Order and Lord Chaos, Galactus, etc etc etc. They weren't even able to damage a single Ivory King. In the end the Tribunal had to step in, but he was obliterated!

And no, the Anti Monitor wasn't powered by two multiverses. The Matter and Antimatter makes the Multiverse. I mean, yes, there is a matter and an anti matter multiverse, but they both form the "multiverse". They are two faces of the same coin. That puts the Antimonitor in a Multiversal scale in terms of power. The beyonders aren't part of the multiverse, and live outside this. They are at an Omniversal scale (power overpasts multiverses).

The Antimonitor is super powerful! But the Beyonders are still far over him. The Living Tribunal is over the Antimonitor in terms of power. Why do you think that the Antimonitor has a chance against the Beyonders? (The beyonders is the whole race, while the Ivory Kings are the kings/leaders of the Beyonders, and are far more powerful than the standart beyonder)

Just to clarify, no multiverse is infinite. The writters just use the term Infinite to portray their huge size, but they are not infinite. Or else no matter how powerful the Antimonitor or the Beyonders are, they would never be able to destroy the Multiverse because this is infinite (never ending).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Empowered by the MULTI verse or INFINITE universes minus 5.

That is a sh1t ton of power. IMO

As you yourself claimed, the power of the Anti Monitor equals "infinite" universes minus 5. The power of the Beyonders is ABOVE that of the multiverse! The power of the Living tribunal equals the power of the multiverse. That is the power of infinite universes minus nothing!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you yourself claimed, the power of the Anti Monitor equals "infinite" universes minus 5. The power of the Beyonders is ABOVE that of the multiverse! The power of the Living tribunal equals the power of the multiverse. That is the power of infinite universes minus nothing!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is that shown? Adam Warlock LT who was more powerful than previous LT was unable to create a single universe after it was destroyed.

The same battle against the Beyonders claimed it! "The the Beyonders turned. Something catching their attention...and then i saw...what they saw..All of reallity, the multiverse taken form..."-Hank explains while the Beyonders fight the Living Tribunal. The Living Tribunal is the Multiverse taken form! Maybe not the Multiverse itself but it does represent the Multiverse. The statement by pym proceeds to solidifying the role The Tribunal plays in the multiverse. He is the guardian of these. He is there to make sure that the Multiverse is in balance. His role is to make sure that no being "within" the multiverse threatens this! So that means that the Living Tribunal is Second to the One Above All IN THE MARVE MULTIVERSE! However this doesn't apply for the Omniverse. As shown in the secret wars, omniversal beings (The Ivory Kings) are able to defeat the Tribunal, since these don't belong to the Multiverse, and aren't upsetting any balance.

Answering your second question with Adam Warlock not being able to create a universe doesn't mean that the Living Tribunal isn't powerful. The Living tribunal is there to maintain BALANCE. He is omnipotent when casting judgement and when keeping the balance within the same multiverse. But that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wishes. For instance, in the Infinity Gaunlet storyline when Thanos was attempting to kill everything in the universe and he was taken to trial infront of the Tribunal, these wasn't able to stop Thanos, simply because he wasn't upsetting any balance..As he himself claimed that is the natural order of things...Death. So, supposing that this being wants to destroy the universe, the Living tribunal can't stop him because the death of a universe isn't upsetting any balance. In a similar way, The Living Tribunal (Adam Warlock) can't create universes not because he is weak, but because the role of The Living Tribunal isn't to create things...He is to maintain balance. The Tribunal isn't like any being who has free will and can do whatever he pleases with his powers...That's the difference between the Living Tribunal and TOAA. The Living Tribunal can't do whatever he wants with his Omnipotence as TOAA can.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you yourself claimed, the power of the Anti Monitor equals "infinite" universes minus 5. The power of the Beyonders is ABOVE that of the multiverse! The power of the Living tribunal equals the power of the multiverse. That is the power of infinite universes minus nothing!

I don't think they were portrayed at that power level by Hickman. IIRC he had several beyonders getting killed by Thor and hyperion.

I might be missing something but I disagree with the idea of AM losing here, not at this stage of the Arc anyway.

But will keep reading. 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
than previous LT

Adam Warlock's Tribunal didn't replace The Living Tribunal of the Secret Wars. That storyline isn't in continuity, so the events that happen can be considered of another reality.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I don't think they were portrayed at that power level by Hickman. IIRC he had several beyonders getting killed by Thor and hyperion.

But will keep reading. 🙂

HAHA! So you did listened to me and read the comics. Nice! Okay, The thread is The Ivory kings vs Anti Monitor. The Ivory king's aren't the beyonders that Thor and Hyperion faced. But either way, if the threat would be The Beyonders vs Antimonitor this would still lose cause the Beyonders include the IK's.

The Ivory king's especifically refers to the Beyonders which fought the Cosmic entities. These Beyonders are considered stronger than those faced by Multiversal Avangers. Since there isn't enough info about the race of the Beyonders and their hierchies, it is assumed that these Three Beyonders are the leaders of their race; like the kings of their race.

If you want to avoid reading...here i leave you a video about The Ivory King's and their battle with the cosmic beings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfctorJzpQ

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Adam Warlock's Tribunal didn't replace The Living Tribunal of the Secret Wars. That storyline isn't in continuity, so the events that happen can be considered of another reality.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
HAHA! So you did listened to me and read the comics. Nice! Okay, The thread is The Ivory kings vs Anti Monitor. The Ivory king's aren't the beyonders that Thor and Hyperion faced. But either way, if the threat would be The Beyonders vs Antimonitor this would still lose cause the Beyonders include the IK's.

The Ivory king's especifically refers to the Beyonders which fought the Cosmic entities. These Beyonders are considered stronger than those faced by Multiversal Avangers. Since there isn't enough info about the race of the Beyonders and their hierchies, it is assumed that these Three Beyonders are the leaders of their race; like the kings of their race.

If you want to avoid reading...here i leave you a video about The Ivory King's and their battle with the cosmic beings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfctorJzpQ

Is always good to read my friend 🙂

Is there any chronological order that you can share?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is always good to read my friend 🙂

Is there any chronological order that you can share?

Everything happens within the Secret Wars comic if am not mistaken. You can find the entire comic in Youtube.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What makes you say it is out of continuity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQET0YA680

You can find information about The Living Tribunal in this video. It is possible that the later on that comic is introduced into the Marvel's continuity in the end though? But until now it isn't.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQET0YA680

You can find information about The Living Tribunal in this video. It is possible that the later on that comic is introduced into the Marvel's continuity in the end though? But until now it isn't.

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I will give you points for ingenuity if nothing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are saying a comic is non Canon because of a youtube video?

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I will give you points for ingenuity if nothing.

Not any youtube video made by any youtuber. The guy knows more about comics than you and me combined. Besides, its obvious the comic isn't canon! Why was the Living Tribunal that appeared in The Ultimates not Adam Warlock then!? Because it isn't canon. Either way what makes you think that the Anti Monitor should win this?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Everything happens within the Secret Wars comic if am not mistaken. You can find the entire comic in Youtube.

Oh I read the secret wars arc, the new one (as well as the old ones) I didn't like it (the new one). But I might be missing something on the tie ins or in the preludes that I might be missing.

And I am pretty aware as to who is the LT and what it can do.

I think they are pretty close but would give the nod to CoiE AM because he already absorbed almost everything there is and was amped beyond an Uber Spectre.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not any youtube video made by any youtuber. The guy knows more about comics than you and me combined. Besides, its obvious the comic isn't canon! Why was the Living Tribunal that appeared in The Ultimates not Adam Warlock then!? Because it isn't canon. Either way what makes you think that the Anti Monitor should win this?

Simple, the entire beyonder race died in an explosion that destroyed thousands of universes. Anti Monitor destroyed and absorbed anti matter universe which had grown to fill all the universes he destroyed (Infinity minus 5).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh I read the secret wars arc, the new one (as well as the old ones) I didn't like it (the new one). But I might be missing something on the tie ins or in the preludes that I might be missing.

And I am pretty aware as to who is the LT and what it can do.

Am sorry dude, the information on the Ivory Kings is found in the Time Runs Out comic. I got confused. HAHA. What are you missing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I really doubt he knows more than me.

Simple, the entire beyonder race died in an explosion that destroyed thousands of universes. Anti Monitor destroyed and absorbed anti matter universe which had grown to fill all the universes he destroyed (Infinity minus 5).

Okay i pretty much doubt that anti matter can do anything to the Beyonders. They aren't matter beings, they are described as energy beings or some sort of thing like that. They aren't affected by antimatter (Remember that the Anti Monitor destroyed thousands of universes because he launched anti matter waves at them, which kills matter" The explosion to destroy Hundreds of Thousands of Universes "killed them" and yet that isn't proven yet. The Beyonders might as well still be out there, looking in the dark. Also, Infinity minus 5 isn't literal. The DC multiverse isn't infinite, because then it would never end, and then the Anti Monitor would never be able to destroy it 😂 😂 😛 . Its logic.