Because when he stopped screwing around against Diamondback, he ended him in a handful of hits. And Diamondback's suit made him strong enough to cave people's chests in and send them flying 20+ feet with hits (and Luke straight up let him wail on him at one point), and the suit was also tough enough to tank gunfire (Shades tries to shoot him multiple times to no effect), as well as tank being slammed into the side of an SUV hard enough to move it. Fact is Cap has gotten tagged by people like Crossbones, Batroc etc. and Luke has shown that he isn't some mook when it comes to fighting either. And he is plenty strong enough to hurt Cap with his own hits.
Of course, this depends whether Cap has his shield or not. If he has his shield, this would be interesting. Pure H2H, I don't see how Steve can do it.
Fair points all around. I was thinking he was too durable for Cap to hurt but those hits DB was making him bleed with didn't look out of Cap's range. Cap should be able to one punch kill guys with the feats he has. Plus he has a ton more experience than Cage does. And he's fought more metas
Cage's one advantage(durability) was shot down in that fight with DB imo
Originally posted by juggerman
Fair points all around. I was thinking he was too durable for Cap to hurt but those hits DB was making him bleed with didn't look out of Cap's range. Cap should be able to one punch kill guys with the feats he has. Plus he has a ton more experience than Cage does. And he's fought more metasCage's one advantage(durability) was shot down in that fight with DB imo
I felt Diamondback is stronger than Cap though, considering he showed comparable strength to Luke (who I would put above Steve at this point). Steve hits people and send them flying, but rarely (if ever) does he totally cave people's chests in with 20+ feet hits. At least not with his fists. And the force DB was hitting Luke with caused the entire side of that SUV he was leaning against to cave in. Which is another thing. If being rammed by a speeding SUV did virtually nothing to him, but Diamondback's hits appeared to be affecting him, what does that tell you about how hard he was hitting? And we've seen Cage punch through things like steel and concrete, so Diamondback taking hit after hit and coming back for more shows serious durability. And while Diamondback might not be as skilled as someone like Cap, he was also by no means a noob when it came to fighting.
And while more experienced, I wouldn't say tons more. It's not like Cage is a noob either. He was an amateur boxer as a teen, was then a Marine, then a police officer, and then the top dog in the Seagate prison fighting ring. And that's the same prison Mandarin and Justin Hammer went to, so it's not like they send just anyone there.
And Cap has also been put under some pressure by people like Crossbones and Batroc, and had to get serious to beat them. So Cap has some lower end showings as well. And as far back as JJ, even having his head rammed through a brick wall during their fight didn't keep Luke off his feet for long.
Cap's hits can probably affect Cage some. But Cage can definitely affect Cap too. And Cage is still decisively more durable than Cap is, IMO. I don't see Cap simply being KO'd from a rocket launcher, followed by a building collapsing on him. But, like I said, this depends on the shield. I was leaning towards Luke, but if Cap has his shield, it would definitely be a hard fight, and the result not guaranteed (I figure if alien tech can harm him, a good chance vibranium could also have a decent effect). But I feel like Luke's strength and durability edge would seal it in H2H.
Yeah I see your point but I just can't get over the fight itself. Maybe it was a choreography thing but that shit just looked weak. Like when Cage picked DB up off the floor and threw him into the ceiling. That shit looked very weak for what these should be able to do yet it looked like it hurt him.
There was a few other parts too but I'd have to watch it again to point out specifics. I'll have to rewatch the JJ fight as well. Maybe he looked better there
Well, the overall fight choreography was not that great, IMO. At least not compared to things like Daredevil, or the actual MCU films. It was rather inconsistent from episode to episode. For example, the prison fights looked much more well choreographed than the final fight did to me. Even the fight between Willis and Luke, when Luke had the alien shrapnel in his belly, looked better. Which also shows you how silly something like getting thrown into the ceiling hurting Willis would be, considering he fell off a high gallery (without a HAMMER suit to protect him), and was able to get up and keep fighting.
Also, the final fight was rather contrived, just so that they'd have something to show. As I pointed out in another thread, realistically that fight should have been like 10 seconds tops. It looked like little more than a strap kept that helmet in place, and it had a massive exposed power source on the back. Luke should have just pulled the helmet off and tapped him on the head, or pulled the power pack off, rendering the suit useless. But they needed to stretch the fight, no matter how dumb it seemed (at least to me personally). But I guess part of it was also that Luke spent a big chunk of the fight trying to talk him down. To get over his anger etc. and all that. I think Luke even tells him at one point to calm down before he really had to hurt him. And, only at the end, when he realised words weren't going to cut it, did he put a proper hurting on DB.
The fight between Luke and DD wasn't as some would have like it to be because Luke C was not trying to hurt DD. This is express many times by Luke during their fight. When Luke C decided to end the fight he did quickly. Reality is DD even with his skill and suit wasn't a match for Luke C.
This fight could go either way. I could see either winning due to their advantages. If I had to choose I would probably go with Capt because of his skill in fighting.
Well, that's the thing, like I said, I felt that the overall fight choreography was not quite up there with some of the other MCU properties. Like the final fight is rather clunky, and not that well shot. But then during other scenes, like when he is fighting in prison, or dealing with mooks on a few occasions, he shows decent levels of skill (like easily blocking, countering hits etc. even though he really doesn't need to). I also recall an instance where one guy was flipping through the air towards him, doing some acrobatic spinning flying kick, and Luke casually caught his leg and tossed him over his head. And, as stated, he was also a marine and a cop, so has overall combat training and xp as well, on top of his boxing during his younger years.
That being said, I still wouldn't rate his skill quite on par with people like Daredevil, Punisher, Cap, Widow etc. because he did get overwhelmed and severely beaten in prison when two other guys with weapons jumped him and attacked him (though he had no powers at the time). But he still definitely showed that he clearly isn't clueless about fighting. Ultimately though, he didn't have that much time to show off too much finesse, because, for the most part, he simply outclassed his opponents too much during the show (stat-wise), so that it hardly mattered how skilled he actually was. That, and he openly stated that he holds back so as not to kill anyone.
At first I was going to say Luke Cage, but then I remembered that Cap actually did quite well against IM and Ultron. So now I'm not sure.
For now I'll say Cap wins with shield, loses without. I don't think Cap has the power to KO Luke in pure h2h, but then again he could also just dislocate limbs or something.
I don't know if that would work. Didn't Claire say something about his cells pulling themselves back together if they got stretched out etc.? That whole explanation about how his powers worked, and how it was sucking the alien metal deeper into his body. Something about his cells being super elastic yet also energy absorbent or some such shit. I don't really know though. It sounded like nonsensical pseudo-science to me.
For now I'm also going to say Cap with shield and Luke without shield. Cap should be faster, more agile, more experienced and more skilled. Luke should be stronger and more durable. The question might come down to stamina. We haven't really seen Luke pushed to the limits for any length of time while we know Cap is like the Energiser Bunny - he'll just keep going. He could probably just stay out of range and keep dodging until he wears Luke down.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, didn't Luke clear like 7 safe houses in the space of a few hours, without seeming at all tired by the end of it? Also, when he escaped after getting his powers, he swam all the way from Seagate to the mainland, which was no small distance.
Yes, but he didn't really exert himself. During the attacks on the safe houses he was walking the whole time, he never moved fast enough to push himself and I would assume he did the same thing when he swam - nobody was chasing him so he could take his time and conserve his energy. We never really see move Luke fast or with any sense of urgency that I can recall - he's always really careful to conserve his energy by walking and standing still, letting his opponents wear themselves out by attacking him until they get tired or run out of bullets.