With his shield Luke is screwed, since Cap tanked a direct hit from Thor's hammer without even blinking. Without his shield I still believe Cap has an advantage, since Luke is basically a slow tank. Cap has the advantage in speed, skill, manoeuvrability, agility and adaptability, plus he is superhumanly strong and durable himself, though I probably not as strong and definitely not bulletproof.
Originally posted by Robtard
Cap's faster, more agile and a much, much, much better fighter, but Cap's not punching out someone who took a shotgun blast to the chin and survived, then took an exploding round inside his abdomen.Give Cap his shield, he might be able to KO Cage with enough blows to the head/face.
Give Cap the shield and Luke probably won't land a blow on him. So then becomes a matter of how many times Cap needs to hit Luke with the shield to disable him.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerFair enough. Question, do you think Luke's skin is as durable as Tony's suit?
@ Kotor - Well, you seem to be in a minority here, as most people seem to agree Cap would need his shield in order to KO Luke.The joint thing is up for debate, IMO. Even if possible, I think it would be a lot easier said than done.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough. Question, do you think Luke's skin is as durable as Tony's suit?
Depends which suit. They tend to vary in durability across the films. Some of his suits in IM3 barely took any effort to destroy, and even his Civil War suit isn't particularly impressive compared to some earlier ones. I genuinely have a hard time seeing that suit hold up as well to Iron Monger's onslaught as his suit at the time did.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
With his shield Luke is screwed, since Cap tanked a direct hit from Thor's hammer without even blinking. Without his shield I still believe Cap has an advantage, since Luke is basically a slow tank. Cap has the advantage in speed, skill, manoeuvrability, agility and adaptability, plus he is superhumanly strong and durable himself, though I probably not as strong and definitely not bulletproof.
It's statements like these that really bother me. You'll cite how Cap survived Thor's hammer strike without even blinking. Yet, MUCH less than that, and RPG, KO'd for like 10 minutes. You can't have it both ways, all showings count.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's statements like these that really bother me. You'll cite how Cap survived Thor's hammer strike without even blinking. Yet, MUCH less than that, and RPG, KO'd for like 10 minutes. You can't have it both ways, all showings count.
Not sure I understand exactly what you're saying, but if you are comparing the impact of Mjolnir to an RPG I would say the difference is that Cap could use the abilities of his shield to absorb the hit from Mjolnir, while an RPG would deliver a more general concussive blast that might knock him out simply because his shield can't protect him in a 360 degree radius.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
HUH? That doesn't make any sense... the explosion didn't happen in back of him.. He covered up like he always does and it hit his shield directly.. yet STILL sent him flying and KO'd him. As I said, all showings count.
Remind me again, when did this happen? I will have to watch it again to try and make sense. All I know is an RPG is basically a big grenade, so even if it doesn't hit you directly the shockwave can still lift you up and fling you through the air. The shield can tank a direct hit, however, so it will nullify the energy from a punch, a bullet or Thor's hammer, since the force of the impact is concentrated in one area instead of spread out over a large area.
Originally posted by golem370
Possibly. If he doesn't have a brace he could be knocked off his fear at most he only weight 240lbs.
Doesn't matter. 1. The shield can absorb energy. 2. The shield is attached to his arm which is mobile. If the energy is too much then his arm will just move or swing away. The only way Luke can topple him is if he braces his entire body behind the shield and Luke somehow delivers a powerful enough blow that his shield and strength can't handle it.
Originally posted by golem370
Yet it didn't absorb the kick of Spider-Man or the rpg hits even when WS hit the shield it jared Steve.
I'll have to double check Spiderman's kick but WS never knocked Cap off balance by hitting his shield if I recall and the RPG round, as was pointed out in other posts, has a wider blast radius so it would have been hard for the shield to absorb the entire impact.
Edit: I checked the Spiderman fight, and Spidey kicks Cap in the face, not the shield.