Darth Tenebrous vs Novel Vitiate

Started by AncientPower15 pages

That is not canonical, it's a publisher's blurb. 😂

Furthermore even if it were, Vitiate isn't a Sith Lord.

It is canonical. And it supports Plagueis' in-novel assertion that he is the most powerful Sith Lord to date, in not being aware of any feats of power achieved in the past that he couldn't achieve himself. And of course, he was aware of Vitiate.

It's a blurb which are dubious in the face of actual statements. Furthermore, he muses that if any Sith had been more powerful than him, then they had taken their secrets to the grave. Which fits Vitiate perfectly.

He is only aware of Vitiate coming the closest to true immortality, literally his only comment. You're making a huge leap.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That is not canonical, it's a publisher's blurb. 😂

Furthermore even if it were, Vitiate isn't a Sith Lord.


Publisher summaries are canonical lol.

The Sith Emperor isn't a Sith, seems legit 👆

It's from LucasBooks. That makes it canon. There's nothing dubious about it.

The only thing stated in the novel is the immortality thing, indeed, but we can assume that something as significant and well-known as Ziost would come into Plagueis' hands. Regardless, Plagueis also knows of Nihilus, and we know Nihilus' wiping out of Katarr was definitely passed down through history.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Publisher summaries are canonical lol.

The Sith Emperor isn't a Sith, seems legit 👆

Over the millennia, Valkorion wore many faces and names: Lord Vitiate; Emperor of the Sith; Eternal Emperor of Zakuul. For centuries upon centuries, he shaped and manipulated galactic events, bending the arc of history to his will during his obsessive quest for immortality. A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.

He played a role using the Sith as a means to his galaxy cleansing,immortality gaining end.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's from LucasBooks. That makes it canon. There's nothing dubious about it.

The only thing stated in the novel is the immortality thing, indeed, but we can assume that something as significant and well-known as Ziost would come into Plagueis' hands. Regardless, Plagueis also knows of Nihilus, and we know Nihilus' wiping out of Katarr was definitely passed down through history.

Bane > All prior Sith confirmed.

Except you're completely misinterpreting his deduction, IF a preceding Sith had been more powerful then they must have taken their secrets to the grave.

Better yet, he personally cedes that the feats of Sith Lords such as Naga Sadow and Exar Kun were greater than his own, the only question being whether they were actually more powerful than him or the dark side had been more prominent back then. Obviously this is pre-shift but the point is worth making. We all know Kun and Sadow's feats can't compare to Vitiate desolating two solar systems.

Vitiate is/was a Sith Lord yes.

Taken from Darth Plagueis

As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death-foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years-the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge.

Irrespective of whether it was a mask or not. Force & Destiny also refers to him as "Darth" Vitiate I believe.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Bane > All prior Sith confirmed.
As long as Palpatine can consume all of space. 👆

Yes, Plagueis' POV which is limited by the fact he doesn't know Vitiate was just another face of the Entity known as Valkorion.

Force & Destiny, a pre-KOTFE source. Wonderful.

Consume all of a limitless area? That isn't retarded at all.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Better yet, he personally cedes that the feats of Sith Lords such as Naga Sadow and Exar Kun were greater than his own, the only question being whether they were actually more powerful than him or the dark side had been more prominent back then. Obviously this is pre-shift but the point is worth making. We all know Kun and Sadow's feats can't compare to Vitiate desolating two solar systems.
Wow, must you insist on further humiliating yourself by fabricating yet more evidence? He doesn't cede as much anywhere, only that the Ancient Sith might have been more powerful than him due to their ability to extend life. He only discusses their other accomplishments as lesser feats achieved through sorcery, and gives zero indication that they are beyond his ability to replicate. 😬

I've fabricated nothing you moron.

If one accepted the tales handed down in accounts and holocrons, the ancient Sith had known how to accomplish this. But had Sith like Naga Sadow and Exar Kun genuinely been more powerful, or had they benefited from the fact that the dark side had been more prominent in those bygone eras? Some commentators claimed that the ability to survive death had been limited to those with a talent for sorcery and alchemy, and that the use of such practices actually predated the arrival of the Dark Jedi_exiles on Korriban. But sorcery had been employed less to extend life than to create illusions, fashion beasts, and resurrect the dead. Powerful adepts were said to have been able to saturate the atmosphere of planets with dark side energy, compel stars to explode, or induce paralysis in crowds, as Exar Kun apparently did to select members of the Republic Senate.
-Darth Plagueis

Where does he state those feats are lesser? Again you're misinterpreting. 😬

Wow you really cannot read. Sad. 🙁

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes, Plagueis' POV which is limited by the fact he doesn't know Vitiate was just another face of the Entity known as Valkorion.

Force & Destiny, a pre-KOTFE source. Wonderful.

Consume all of a limitless area? That isn't retarded at all.

I'm not talking about KOTFE or his Valkorion incarnation, Im talking about SWTOR Vitiate, whom the record has down as a Sith Lord.

And you accept Palpatine as a universe buster then? Or is that a concession that accepting everything a medium publishes as valid, doesn't follow on from acknowledging that medium to be canon?

Get a room:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=617581&pagenumber=9

Get a debate kek. 🙂

I would, but Deronn is cheating on me.

He's a professional gigalo, what did you expect?

Point taken

Seems like Tenebrous beats Vitiate. 🙂

I made an official thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=639946&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post16117901

You can now derail this one as much as you want.

We never derailed it.