what are some examples that show this omniscience exactly....? the term omniscience is similar to the term 'infinite' in comics. neither really means what it should--or rather there are levels of each. odin is the all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing. iow--omniscient. being declared omniscient is pretty meaningless, so....proof of this omniscience?
The Fates + Those Who Sit Above > 4th Host
Heck, the TWSA alone actually gave Loki all nine universeS connected to the World Tree.
They gave it to him at the end of their cycle cause Loki tried tricking them,
but nonetheless,
it proves, in that story, they had the power to grant his wish.
Loki's wish? I want the nine universes of the World Tree.
^ You're acting as though RKT straight up overpowered TWSAIS and the Fates in some sort of cosmic battle. This is incorrect. Heck, Thor himself stated that he didn't have the power to defeat the Fates outright:
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg
He only 'beat' both parties as a corollary of ending the cycle of Ragnarok.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
what are some examples that show this omniscience exactly....? the term omniscience is similar to the term 'infinite' in comics. neither really means what it should--or rather there are levels of each. odin is the all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing. iow--omniscient. being declared omniscient is pretty meaningless, so....proof of this omniscience?
And for the record: it was stated that RKT possessed "the wisdom of Odin":
http://i.imgur.com/DF8IX71.jpg
Take from that what you will. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You're acting as though RKT straight up overpowered TWSAIS and the Fates in some sort of cosmic battle. This is incorrect. Heck, Thor himself stated that he didn't have the power to defeat the Fates outright:
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg
He only 'beat' both parties as a corollary of ending the cycle of Ragnarok.👆
And for the record: it was stated that RKT possessed "the wisdom of Odin":
http://i.imgur.com/DF8IX71.jpgTake from that what you will. 🙂
To feed on that scan is faulty. The spirit had no idea of the depths of power that RK Thor possessed. That was just an educated guess.
Originally posted by leonidas
what are some examples that show this omniscience exactly....? the term omniscience is similar to the term 'infinite' in comics. neither really means what it should--or rather there are levels of each. odin is the all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing. iow--omniscient. being declared omniscient is pretty meaningless, so....proof of this omniscience?
There was no room for hyperbole in concerns to what it meant in this case. You're looking for huge displays of power to justify your ruling. He was written to be omniscient, there really is no getting around it.
This is what I'm saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You're acting as though RKT straight up overpowered TWSAIS and the Fates in some sort of cosmic battle. This is incorrect. Heck, Thor himself stated that he didn't have the power to defeat the Fates outright:
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg
He only 'beat' both parties as a corollary of ending the cycle of Ragnarok.👆
And for the record: it was stated that RKT possessed "the wisdom of Odin":
http://i.imgur.com/DF8IX71.jpgTake from that what you will. 🙂
👆
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You're acting as though RKT straight up overpowered TWSAIS and the Fates in some sort of cosmic battle. This is incorrect. Heck, Thor himself stated that he didn't have the power to defeat the Fates outright:
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg
He only 'beat' both parties as a corollary of ending the cycle of Ragnarok.👆
And for the record: it was stated that RKT possessed "the wisdom of Odin":
http://i.imgur.com/DF8IX71.jpgTake from that what you will. 🙂
Cool awesome... But didnt RKT destroy the Loom of Fate later on and hence bested the Fates etc ?
Originally posted by Galan007
^
You're acting as though RKT straight up overpowered TWSAIS
and the Fates in some sort of cosmic battle. This is incorrect.Heck, Thor himself stated that he didn't have the power to defeat the Fates outright:
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg
Thor is referring to not being able to change what had been woven.
This has nothing to do with power levels friend concerning the Fates vs Thor.
Thor DID defeat them outright. He destroyed their purpose, their power source, right in their face.
Thor even jobbed before acting, and still, the Fates, that are far superior than Odin, were helpless.
TWSAIS appeared,
and instead of acting against Thor, who was about to make them obsolete likewise,
did nothing but cower. Helpless.
These are the same entities that with a thought, served up nine universeS for Loki on a platter.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou're getting your wires crossed concerning what actually happened, but w/e.
😐Thor is referring to not being able to change what had been woven.
This has nothing to do with power levels friend concerning the Fates vs Thor.Thor DID defeat them outright. He destroyed their purpose, their power source, right in their face.
Thor even jobbed before acting, and still, the Fates, that are far superior than Odin, were helpless.TWSAIS appeared,
and instead of acting against Thor, who was about to make them obsolete likewise,
did nothing but cower. Helpless.These are the same entities that with a thought, served up nine universeS for Loki on a platter.
This debate is futile, me thinks. It's pretty clear that nobody's opinion is changing. 👆
Originally posted by Stoic
Odin is less than nothing to RK Thor. Your entire argument became flawed when you left out the fact that Odin has never even approached omniscient status in his entire history. I think that you may not be understanding the true meaning of what omniscience means? Maybe I'm seeing it in a different definition than you are? Who knows. I saw no room for hyperbole when I read the story, but whatever. And that's really what it comes down to, you either follow what is written, or you do something else.
Odin has been repeatedly called "omnipotent", as have many other beings (e.g. Galactus) who clearly aren't literally omnipotent. In fact, one of the Marvel Handbooks actually provides an alternative definition for the word which is basically "omnipotent but not really":
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/use-of-the-word-omnipotence-in-comics-explained-1634966/
You're taking it waaaaay too literally.
At any rate, even if RKT *was* omniscient... that would mean that Odin was too. Thor explicitly received the same knowledge as Odin, from the same source. The story tells us again and again that the only significant difference between what Odin knew and what Thor knew were derived from the latter's experiences amongst mortal men.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Stoic
There was no room for hyperbole in concerns to what it meant in this case. You're looking for huge displays of power to justify your ruling. He was written to be omniscient, there really is no getting around it.
that is...crazy talk. the whole purpose of the arc is for thor to meet his true destiny, which, apparently, was to discover that he needed to break the cycle of ragnarok and thus stop feeding those above. did his knowledge surpass odin's? yes. i think that was made clear because his sacrifice was greater than odin's was. but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that his wisdom made him any more omniscient than galactus's knowledge made doom in sw. the only thing he used his wisdom for was to see through the cycle. i guess he found a way around the fates as well, but that is completely unquantifiable and really, doesn't even come across as all that impressive seeing as how all he did was break one strong:
ironically, it wasn't HIS wisdom that led to his being able to win, it was odin's. and it wasn't the runes that allowed him to achieve what he did--it was his knowledge COUPLED with his humanity that let him break the cycle:
and with the cycle ended his 'omniscience' also seem to end though his power didn't diminish at all. he couldn't see beyond eternity, the end he created, and longed for a guide to help him:
that is a clear limit to his 'omniscience' and it was obvious at the end. as for this bit:
Originally posted by Stoic
RK Thor laughs in their face. They don't have anything that would actually hurt him. This makes them less than zero to him, because he represents a greater force than they are, he essentially became the Avatar of the Almighty. If that entity/spirit, etc, took physical form in the physical universe. Not sure why people aren't able to see that RK Thor pierced the veil? Physical matters had no meaning to him. [/u]Physical universal effects no longer applied to him.[/u] It would be like shooting something that you could see, but that wasn't even really there, while being able to apply omniscient force equal to omnipotent might in the physical universe. They'd be wiped out quickly by an omniscient.
i mean, did someone hack your account man? 😕
omnipotent? beyond any physical force? wtf? he couldn't change fate. CLEARLY he isn't omnipotent. he couldn't snap his fingers and end the cycle but needed to find a weak point in the loom. CLEARLY not omnipotent. as far as being beyond physical force: where is there even a tiny sliver of proof to suggest that? he killed a weak mangog and the biggest thing he did was stop loki who had a weaker hammer than mjolnir. and from THAT you extrapolate that he is omniscient and omnipotent, an avatar to toaa.....? 😑 it wasn't even his power that allowed him to hide his intentions from those above--it was his HUMAN side.
i think that might be the grossest no limits i've ever seen on the forum. i honestly cannot believe you're trying to sell all of that. you sound a little like a crazy man....
