Originally posted by McP
That version of Revan should be slightly inferior to either Mace or Dooku. Team takes this with less then moderate difficulty.
I do not see the possibility of Mace Windu or Count Dooku dismissing Darth Nyriss in single combat like Revan. Not even close.
Revan is implied to be more powerful than even Darth Nihilus in the novel.
@Ant
Due to my powerscaling. Sidious as of ROTS > any Sith before him. I consider prime!Vitiate as marginally inferior, but still in the same league. A few years ago, novel!Vitiate was his only/best version. Then more and more version of him from TOR, which push novel!Vitiate below and below and below, until he became closer to Vader then Sidious imo. Or his boost in power from one version to another wasn't that big, and he's still closer to Sidious, I don't care. Anyway, Mace did better against stronger enemy then Revan, and so did Dooku. Ergo they are his superiors by small margin, but still.
Originally posted by McP
@Ant
Due to my powerscaling. Sidious as of ROTS > any Sith before him. I consider prime!Vitiate as marginally inferior, but still in the same league. A few years ago, novel!Vitiate was his only/best version. Then more and more version of him from TOR, which push novel!Vitiate below and below and below, until he became closer to Vader then Sidious imo. Or his boost in power from one version to another wasn't that big, and he's still closer to Sidious, I don't care. Anyway, Mace did better against stronger enemy then Revan, and so did Dooku. Ergo they are his superiors by small margin, but still.
Revan would utterly annihilate Dooku in seconds, and likewise dominate Windu with his Force powers.
Anyone capable of ashing a Force sensitive approaching Dooku's caliber (i.e. Darth Nyriss) is clearly beyond Dooku.
Dooku was possibly off-guard against Sidious. Yoda has similar level of TK, and was unable to stop Dooku (and I doubt, that Yoda wasn't trying hard, since he was aware, that stoping Dooku could make this war very short). And no, Windu did much better, against stronger enemy. When Sidious' inferior decided to be serious, he nearly stomped Revan.
Originally posted by McP
Dooku was possibly off-guard against Sidious.
Yoda has similar level of TK, and was unable to stop Dooku (and I doubt, that Yoda wasn't trying hard, since he was aware, that stoping Dooku could make this war very short).
And no, Windu did much better, against stronger enemy. When Sidious' inferior decided to be serious, he nearly stomped Revan.
Revan absorbed almost all of Vitiate's energies. He turned lightning that was "infinitely" more powerful of ashing Darth Nyriss to something that only gave him second-degree burns. In other words, he nearly completely dissipated the lightning, but Vitiate's lightning just *quite* overmatched him. When recognizing they were on a nexus, and that Vitiate channeled his energy for more time, it's possible Revan would have completely handled the attack.
To put some context on the difference, exposure to 176 degrees F for .1 seconds still yields curable third-degree burns. But then at 200, it's incurable. In contrast, a body is ashed in 1400 degrees F for 1 to 3 hours. So yeah, a near-unprecedented distinction that Revan closed.
Likewise, handling lightning with a lightsaber is significantly easier than doing it with tutaminis, in which it has been stated to be "nearly impossible." The fact Windu could handle Palpatine's lightning with his lightsaber suggests it clearly wasn't *that* powerful, since Vitiate's lightning was powerful enough to overcome a lightsaber, thus why Revan opted to use tutaminis. Palpatine was faking with the lightning, and thus not unleashing his full power, which was stated by Lucas.
. Palpatine was faking with the lightning, and thus not unleashing his full power, which was stated by Lucas.
Little nitpick, I don't think this was ever stated by Lucas, more to the point, the opposite might have been implied by someone working on the film whilst in his presence. I know not of the specifics, but a direct statement from Lucas of this nature would have certainly ended many discussions and settled long debated scores since 2005.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He was still completely incapable of breaking free.
Yeah, that's natural. Ani/Obi were unable to break Ventress' choke, Dooku and Ventress couldn't break Savage's choke once they got catched. Kenobi couldn't break Dooku's choke. And Sidious couldn't free himself from Mauls' grip in that deleted sequence.
That's the way the Force works in a Canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yoda's game is rarely to best an opponent with the Force. It's not like he tried and failed - he never even tried. He repelled all of Dooku's attacks, and then quickly bested him with a lightsaber.
Yoda was GM of the Order and wisest Jedi alive. We have to believe, that he did everything he could, to stop the War (especially, that not long before, he and Mace decided, that Dooku must be stoped). If he decided to engage Dooku in duel, he probably believed that it was best option.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
To put some context on the difference, exposure to 176 degrees F for .1 seconds still yields curable third-degree burns. But then at 200, it's incurable. In contrast, a body is ashed in 1400 degrees F for 1 to 3 hours. So yeah, a near-unprecedented distinction that Revan closed.
Doesn't matter. Sidious FL also doesn't turns people into ashes, and yet it was possibly the most powerful attack of the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Drew just had different vision of character's skills. That doesn't matter they had superior skills.