Yeah, that's natural. Ani/Obi were unable to break Ventress' choke, Dooku and Ventress couldn't break Savage's choke once they got catched. Kenobi couldn't break Dooku's choke. And Sidious couldn't free himself from Mauls' grip in that deleted sequence.
That's the way the Force works in a Canon.
The instances you cited are either non-canon, or end with them relinquishing their holds due to visible strain of maintaining it.
The fact you dismiss a scene where Palpatine, from across the galaxy and with a mere gesture, strangles Dooku silly, strikes me as insane.
It's blatant and indisputable evidence of Palpatine's unquestionable and vast superiority to Dooku in every way, shape, and form.
Yoda was GM of the Order and wisest Jedi alive. We have to believe, that he did everything he could, to stop the War (especially, that not long before, he and Mace decided, that Dooku must be stoped). If he decided to engage Dooku in duel, he probably believed that it was best option.
And then also make note that, like I said, thrashing around individual's with the Force isn't a Jedi's game.
Skywalker had the power to instantly pin Caedus, and yet when they fought in battle, he never choose to show that dominance when he could win anyway.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Doesn't matter. Sidious FL also doesn't turns people into ashes, and yet it was possibly the most powerful attack of the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Drew just had different vision of character's skills. That doesn't matter they had superior skills.
Lucas states that Palpatine "pretends to lose his powers and be weak" in the sequence that Windu bends back his lightning, so he's not facing Palpatine's full wrath.
Also, it seems you have no rebuttal to how well Revan handled Vitiate's attack.
So, to restate:
- Mace Windu's lightsaber was being bent back by Palpatine's lightning, which was faked and not even at full power.
- Revan nearly completely absorbed Vitiate's lightning, which was infinitely more powerful than any lightning Dooku has ever displayed.
Yeah, they're not comparable.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The duo wins, yeah. A hindered, injured Revan, hindered Surik and amped Scourge (but who cares?) could split with an amped Vitiate.On neutral ground, Dooku and Mace, a superior team, are taking it.
They had rest before they assaulted Vitiate's stronghold.
I'm not interested in the words you want to use to describe my reiteration of the novel's circumstances, as long as you get the message.
The dark side nexus hindered Surik and Revan, regardless of their rest beforehand (which I wasn't even interested in). That's a fact.
Indeed, they were compromised, and Vitiate was in the heart of his power. That's another fact.
Please tell me the circumstances then constituted neutral ground, lol.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66And then also make note that, like I said, thrashing around individual's with the Force isn't a Jedi's game. [/B]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, it's not. A powerful Force user can generally break free from a telekinetic hold.[/B]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The instances you cited are either non-canon, or end with them relinquishing their holds due to visible strain of maintaining it. [/B]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact you dismiss a scene where Palpatine, from across the galaxy and with a mere gesture, strangles Dooku silly, strikes me as insane. [/B]
And yeah, I'm with you when it comes to judge that duel between Palpatine and Mace. But that doesn't change a fact, that Windu were able to hold his own for some time, and Palpatine had to use his lightning to be able to overpower Windu (which he would, if he would not pretend to be weak). But Revan also got owned by lighning by that point. And before that attack, Vitiate was somehow holding back as I remember. I'll read that fight again today.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm not interested in the words you want to use to describe my reiteration of the novel's circumstances, as long as you get the message.The dark side nexus hindered Surik and Revan, regardless of their rest beforehand (which I wasn't even interested in). That's a fact.
Indeed, they were compromised, and Vitiate was in the heart of his power. That's another fact.
Please tell me the circumstances then constituted neutral ground, lol.
Revan defeated Darth Malak on Star Forge (a setting, very strong in the Dark Side)
Meetra Surik defeated Darth Traya on Malachor V (a setting, very strong in the Dark Side)
These are lame excuses, my friend.
Revan, in particular, could use the Dark Side to his advantage. Setting doesn't matters to him.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You're aware that Revan had days to purge the drugs and poison from his system an ability we know he was familiar with due to the teachings demonstrated in his holocron in PoD and that he was drawing on both the light and dark side in his fight Nova?
Plus purging drugs and poisons from one's body, is kinda a standard Jedi Knight thing that they master.
Originally posted by McP
Jedi's game at that point was to ends the War.
He can end the war and not use the Force. Again, just refer to Luke's fight with Caedus.
Luke could have instantly pinned Caedus with the Force, but instead opted to wage a brutal battle.
The only difference here is Yoda wasn't even challenged in a lightsaber battle either.
There were a few reference books, that claimed that Yoda engaged Dooku in "Titanic Force battle". I'm not a Dooku's fanboy or smth, I wont use that materials, since I consider them as outdated and not rightful.
But still, Dooku wouldn't be oneshoted by Yoda in the Force batte.
More then that, it could be in Yoda's nature, to try to capture Dooku without hurting him much. And that would be even easier in a Force fight.
Dooku's challenge of a lightsaber duel was what made Yoda do that, not because he decided it would be easier.
An example please?
For two, the strike team breaking free from Revan's TK hold on the FT when spirit Revan donated additional power.
Not sure if that deleted scene is a non canon. There were a thing that were happening, while we didn't see them. It's a reason that I consider this scene as a canon. I also consider that part of Yoda and Sidious' fight, when Yoda disarmed him as a canon. Those short parts of duels are also a canon for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIe2A-SnXlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNW3_MAs-4
I'm not dismissing it. It proves how powerful Sidious was. And Yoda was his equal at that point. But for me, it's clear that Dooku couldn't challange his master. And it was Sidious' right to punish him for his failures. So he didin't even dare to try to break that grip in my opinion.
And yeah, I'm with you when it comes to judge that duel between Palpatine and Mace. But that doesn't change a fact, that Windu were able to hold his own for some time, and Palpatine had to use his lightning to be able to overpower Windu (which he would, if he would not pretend to be weak). But Revan also got owned by lighning by that point. And before that attack, Vitiate was somehow holding back as I remember. I'll read that fight again today
I already addressed why Revan didn't get owned by the lightning - and in detail, too.
I have absolutely no clue what you mean by the Windu and Palpatine thing. Palpatine faking his lightning power at Windu is not impressive for Windu, nor can you powerscale that lightning off of "most powerful" accolades when he's not performing at full power. We never saw how Windu could handle Palpatine's actual lightning, but we know he definitely couldn't do it with his bare hands like Revan did with Vitiate and Darth Nyriss.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku's challenge of a lightsaber duel was what made Yoda do that, not because he decided it would be easier.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For one, Darth Bane breaking free of a energy attack in RoT.For two, the strike team breaking free from Revan's TK hold on the FT when spirit Revan donated additional power.
Originally posted by McP
That's the way the Force works in a Canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's absolutely wrong then. They are non-canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He was visibly clutching his throat trying to break free.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I already addressed why Revan didn't get owned by the lightning - and in detail, too.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We never saw how Windu could handle Palpatine's actual lightning, but we know he definitely couldn't do it with his bare hands like Revan did with Vitiate and Darth Nyriss.