Yoda vs. Darth Sidious: 2016

The latest verdict on the Yoda vs Sids duel in RotS from the soon to be released Star Wars: Galactic Atlas appears to be that the contest ended in stalemate:

Taken from Star Wars: Galactic Atlas (https://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/9781368003063-final-2.jpg)

Taken from Ultimate Star Wars

The full power of the light side and dark side of the Force are on display during Yoda's clash with Emperor Palpatine. Outmatched, Yoda retreats and waits for a new champion to lead the fight against evil.

Taken from SW Databank: Darth Sidious (http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/5159722-6082721100-50060.jpg)

Darth Sidious overwhelmed Master Yoda with the destructive energy of the dark side, and the Jedi Master fled Coruscant.

Taken from SW Databank: Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Story Gallery (http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/5159721-6409106704-50060.jpg)

Yoda is eventually outmatched by Sidious.

Taken from SW Databank: Yoda (http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/5159724-9475917210-50060.jpg)

Yoda confronted Sidious in the heart of the Senate chambers. This erupted into an intense duel between these masters of the Force, a fight that Yoda ultimately lost and was forced to flee.

They are all merely interpretations of things that happen on-screen, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few more quotes bandied around the stratosphere calling a stalemate, but yes, Yoda did ultimately loose but it might not have been because he was any weaker in the Force.

Forget trying to reconcile sources. Go by the film: They fought to a standstill but Palpatine was the victor due to the circumstances.

But if you really must reconcile: Yoda was "outmatched," because he needed to kill Palpatine but couldn't do it. They were both "overhwelmed" by the final blast. And obviously Palpatine was the "victor" given he survived and carried on ruling his Empire, whereas Yoda had to flee into hiding.

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Outmatched has a clear dictionary definition: to be superior. And if Sids is the one overwhelming Yoda, it hardly works both ways. So I don't feel as if that reading really works.

On the other hand, the word standstill is a lot less weighty in these contexts:

It's true, at the end of the fight neither party sort to continue, the action of the fight ceased. However that doesn't necessarily mean it was a stalemate.

Christ, even when you're simply quoting definitions you're annoying.

Lmao.

Oh so now dictionary definitions matter, lol.

Dry those tears.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's true, at the end of the fight neither party sort to continue, the action of the fight ceased. However that doesn't necessarily mean it was a stalemate.

You mean exactly like every fight that ever happened and will happen?

It was a stalemate; that's the best option we have since there exist both sources that portray Yoda favourably and sources that portray Sheev favourably.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You mean exactly like every fight that ever happened and will happen?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Some fights end with people dying actually. 😕

And when one of them dies, the other stops fighting, hence stalemate 👆

Nah. It's the difference between a fight that ends conclusively and a fight that is interrupted/left unfinished. Sidious could still outmatch Yoda but have the fight end in standstill given he did not press his advantage, or rather wasn't in a position to, and neither was Yoda prepared to continue fighting. So the contest was abandoned.

But the fact they fought to a standstill doesn't necessarily mean they were equals.

Originally posted by MythLord
It was a stalemate; that's the best option we have since there exist both sources that portray Yoda favourably and sources that portray Sheev favourably.

You people really are vaginas about this sort of thing. You want others to tell you how to think. This is really a sad day for most of you here in this topic.

If they had a rematch on flat terrain, Yoda would win sabers everytime, and Sidious would win Force everytime. The movie was circumstantial.

Originally posted by Azronger
If they had a rematch on flat terrain, Yoda would win sabers everytime, and Sidious would win Force everytime. The movie was circumstantial.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Christ, even when you're simply quoting definitions you're cute af

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Yoda lost.