Originally posted by quanchi112
Lol at you being upset over the top Sith and too Jedi both being poster children for these qualities. Blame George Lucas you sycophant.
I don't give a shit, tbh, it's just extremely ironic you think these two are a 'failure' and 'coward' when Maul cleeearly fits in both categories. 😆
Your insults, tho. They continue to be on point. 👆
Originally posted by PetrusMaul isn't as powerful as either. He also didn't have the backing of a Jedi order or a galactic empire. If you believe Maul is the same as Yoda or Sidious you're clearly experimenting with drug use.
I don't give a shit, tbh, it's just extremely ironic you think these two are a 'failure' and 'coward' when Maul cleeearly fits in both categories. 😆Your insults, tho. They continue to be on point. 👆
Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine wanted him dead but he didn't want to risk his own life in order to do so hence why he ordered others to do so. Palpatine is a coward if you've forgotten. Yoda failed just like he failed to stop the clone wars with Dooku.😂
Yes, Palpatine is a coward. Just like Maul, dude...
And sure, Yoda failed. I agree, actually. But Maul failed, too. He failed as a Sith, he failed in his comeback, he failed in life.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThe energy Yoda was containing exploded midway, and both combatants were sent flying. And the source material demands we reassess our first impressions.
Huh? It rebounded onto him. Right after Yoda started to push Palpatine back mind you. I have no idea how anyone can see that as Palpatine overpowering Yoda.
And you realise under normal circumstances Sidious wouldn't just be hanging off a pole like a monkey right? Because he is capable of just leaping right back up into a fighting stance. Normally that is..The point I was making that Yoda's fall was not just bad luck, it was rather his inability to recover from it.
You seem dead set on believing this statement that Yoda was overwhelmed by Palpatine's powers.Because its stated as much in the SW Databank, and reinforced by the Ultimate Star Wars which takes precedent over a personal opinion, mine or otherwise.
The top 10 ihgtsaber battles on SW.COM says Yoda absorbed all the Lightning Palpatine threw at him. There's different interpretations on ow the fight went, but end result was, neither of them were badly injured, but neither of them wanted to carry on either.It says he "absorbed Sidious' dark side powers" - which I suppose can be considered true since they didn't barrel right through him, clearly he diminished it to some extent. But its flat out false that he absorbed his lightning completely, that doesn't happen on screen.
Sidious might not have "needed" to pursue Yoda, but he certainly wanted to. Hence he ordered his troops to find him. Yoda was like the biggest threat out there to Palpatine. If Palpatine really pushed Yoda's shit in as you're claiming, then of course he would have pursued him.I never claimed Palpatine was "pushing Yoda's shit in" merely that he was "outmatched" by his Force powers as the source material states. That means, be better than, not widely better than, or much better than at all.
And again, yes, that's why it was a standstill, but for the last time that doesn't mean Sidious didn't outmatch him. He can still do so yet lack the strength, confidence and composure to finish his opponent off - who was for all intents and purposes, beaten.
Because like you pointed out, under normal circumstances, either Yoda or Palpatine, could jump down to the bottom of that chamber, and pursue in no time.I never denied Sidious being at full strength, or not seriously exhausted himself, doesn't preclude him being better.
Originally posted by PetrusWho has Maul backed down to ?
Yes, Palpatine is a coward. Just like Maul, dude...And sure, Yoda failed. I agree, actually. But Maul failed, too. He failed as a Sith, he failed in his comeback, he failed in life.
Maul hasn't been killed yet. He achieved goals along the way and hasn't been destroyed by the empire to date. That's pretty amazing since he's been alone for decades.
Originally posted by Darth ThorKylo unlike Vader acknowledged the light inside him. Vader was delusional about it until,it consumed him and he left the Sith. Kylo already eclipsed him in evil. I also like the chip Kylo,puts on his shoulder. That will lead him to greatness.
It's even more ironic when his other favourite Kylo Ren cries to Vader.Both his favourites have admitted their inferiority to Vader. He should be a man and accept it instead of crying like Kylo about it 😂
Tano wrecked Vader with her light saber. She was unsuccessful against physically injuring Maul on her own.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who has Maul backed down to ?Maul hasn't been killed yet. He achieved goals along the way and hasn't been destroyed by the empire to date. That's pretty amazing since he's been alone for decades.
What goals did he achieve? He was Sidious' apprentice and screwed up. He gained power and influence alongside Savage, then Savage got killed and Maul captured, tortured and ripped of all he'd built. Since then, he's spent his life in solitude and has accomplished nothing. He's a failure.
Originally posted by PetrusHe gained power and influence along with overthrowing Pre Vizsla. He has no more allies. He helped acquire the Sith holocron. He is also twisting Ezra to the dark side. He's quite successful on his own. In the end I can dismiss Palpatine to dying in Rotj. You're ignoring Maul's accomplishments. He also took revenge in Kenobi by killing his ex. He's great.
What goals did he achieve? He was Sidious' apprentice and screwed up. He gained power and influence alongside Savage, then Savage got killed and Maul captured, tortured and ripped of all he'd built. Since then, he's spent his life in solitude and has accomplished nothing. He's a failure.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He gained power and influence along with overthrowing Pre Vizsla. He has no more allies. He helped acquire the Sith holocron. He is also twisting Ezra to the dark side. He's quite successful on his own. In the end I can dismiss Palpatine to dying in Rotj. You're ignoring Maul's accomplishments. He also took revenge in Kenobi by killing his ex. He's great.
He 'achieves' things halfway and then gets ****ed. Always.
Originally posted by PetrusHe got revenge on Kenobi. Period. He overthrew Vizlsa. Period. He killed Qui. He survived. The inquisitors are all dead. He is one of the most successful characters in Star Wars. Let's compare his exploits to Yoda. 😂
He 'achieves' things halfway and then gets ****ed. Always.
Ps. He is still alive.
on neutral ground Sidious would win both sabers and force; Sidious was in an enclosed cramped space when dulling Yoda so advantage went to Yoda based on terrain. Had Sidious room to maneuver he'd have been a much better match and possibly overwhelmed Yoda in lightsaber combat. We already saw Palpatines might in TK; he was utilizing those heavy senate pods much easier than Yoda.
Originally posted by relentless1No, he wasn't. Yoda stopped one with momentum which is harder than to move a stationary object.
on neutral ground Sidious would win both sabers and force; Sidious was in an enclosed cramped space when dulling Yoda so advantage went to Yoda based on terrain. Had Sidious room to maneuver he'd have been a much better match and possibly overwhelmed Yoda in lightsaber combat. We already saw Palpatines might in TK; he was utilizing those heavy senate pods much easier than Yoda.
Originally posted by relentless1Yoda seemed to strain when he walked. Who cares ? When push came to shove he stopped a pod flung at him. Period.
we saw it all through the prequels that yoda wasn't nearly as casual about TK as the Emperor was, he also seemed to strain when holding that huge pillar from falling on Anakin and Obi Wan in ep 2