Originally posted by The Ellimist
If the Outlander ends up being a Jedi, and defeating Valkorion in a fair fight, then we know that Yoda > Mace Windu > Outlander > Valkorion. 👆
It's called: Read the Rules
Originally posted by Your God
- To repeat what I said before, this is in no way a quality judgement, just an organisational/practical one. What YOU personally consider canon is entirely up to you. What you personally enjoy is entirely your business; if you think the old post-ROTJ EU tells a better stories than the new sequel films, fine. Just remember that there is an objective importance to the official Disney canon and that's where we calibrate from. Just make it clear if you are deviating from that in your own thread/post.- Don't wield canon like a blunt weapon. It has its shades and, aside from anything else, canon sources can contradict, so there needs to be some room for negotiation/opinion. Also remember that canon sources can make mistakes- the costuming error that meant all the Imperials wore the same ranks in ROTJ really should be seen as just an error and not shoehorned into some weird explanation of a massive rank change in the Empire.
The idea that any of this matters is hilarious.
Are you going to sub for this, Ant? Personally, I might because we get to kill off so many characters I hate so much.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol so are we supposed to debate the eight or so meaningful characters in Canon?
No, we are supposed to look at everything on a case by case basis instead of parroting quotes from ten years ago.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because the populace no longer exists.So?
The fact that he had to prepare for it, for starters. RotE took place over an extended period of time.
It doesn't need to be temporary. He wasn't at full power when he did it.
But the energy he gained from them does.
So Vitiate being amped when accomplishing that feat doesn't mean anything in the context of comparing what he should have been capable of in the Revan novel since they were both nexuses.
He needed to regain his power but once he had by feeding off the populations negative emotions nothing suggests he prepared a ritual to drain the planet.
You have no way of knowing that and it's suggested that he is due to comparison between his accomplished feat and Revan's speculation in the novel.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But the energy he gained from them does.
So Vitiate being amped when accomplishing that feat doesn't mean anything in the context of comparing what he should have been capable of in the Revan novel since they were both nexuses.
He needed to regain his power but once he had by feeding off the populations negative emotions nothing suggests he prepared a ritual to drain the planet.
You have no way of knowing that and it's suggested that he is due to comparison between his accomplished feat and Revan's speculation in the novel. [/B]
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, it doesn't.Because every nexus is the same?
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Someone being angry doesn't empower a Sith forever. That's retarded.
It's flat out stated he wasn't. It's also said that he was "revitalized" after Ziost. Throughout SOR and RotE he said to be weakened from his duel with the Hero of Tython. Actually play the game before making any type of assumption about its content.
Why? What makes that energy temporary?
Because we have no way of ascertaining if there is a difference of power between those two nexuses.
I can't recall another instance where a darksider has fed off of dark emotions. I'll assume the amp was permanent unless otherwise stated.
It's stated that he wasn't at full power after feeding off the chaos he caused on the planet? Quote?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why? What makes that energy temporary?
Because we have no way of ascertaining if there is a difference of power between those two nexuses.
I can't recall another instance where a darksider has fed off of dark emotions. I'll assume the amp was permanent unless otherwise stated.
It's stated that he wasn't at full power after feeding off the chaos he caused on the planet? Quote?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No. He said it opened his eyes to the truth. But he was just bullshitting anyway, so there's really no reason to believe him. In truth,Spoiler:Which is about on par with Vitiate who also failed in this area.
Valkorion was spending the last five years trying to destroy the Outlander's mind to no success, so he spent the entirety of the expansion probing it and trying to see your strengths and weaknesses, while also making you more powerful because he needs a powerful body. He can't do anything at all, however, and waits until you kill Vaylin(who is supposed to have some parity with him) and uses her spirit/power to destroy your mind. Because he couldn't do himself before.
When Valkorion was struck down, he immediately infiltrated the mind of the Outlander to escape death. The effort knocked out the Outlander (unconscious) on the spot.
After ruling for centuries, he was struck down in an act of treachery engineered by his son, Arcann. But the immortal Emperor could not be vanquished so easily. He evaded death by infiltrating the mind of the Outlander, his most powerful opponent.
Taken from Knights of the Eternal Throne
Arcann suspected as much and the Outlander was frozen in carbonite for good. Until Lana Beniko came and set him free.
Now, how could the Outlander resist Valkorion (inside his mind) while being unconscious? He could not.
Another thing is story-telling. If Valkorion had taken over the Outlander completely, then there was no story to tell.
Valkorion is just bidding his time, probing and understanding his subjects on a deeper level. Very clever of him.