Is Valkorion more powerful than Vitiate?

Started by Nephthys5 pages
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now, how could the Outlander resist Valkorion (inside his mind) while being unconscious? He could not.

Revan did.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The hell? Because the person making the emotion is either no longer there or no longer making the emotion.

Which doesn't change the point. But it doesn't matter. One can make a logical inference, if you've ever heard of such a thing, by the descriptions of Dromund Kaas and Ziost. You don't, however, just assume they're the same to further your argument.

This might be the single most asinine and absent minded thing ever said here. Have you never, ever encountered a Dark Side force user in this entire mythos?

You don't even take the time to see how using the Dark Side works on the single most basic level, but you want me to go through the entirety of RotE and give you quotes about Vitiate not being at full power, despite this being the entire premise of it? I think I'll pass. Look it up yourself or go watch it on Youtube.

But why would that make the energy gained from said emotions temporary?

I'm pretty sure a comparison like that would favor Dromund Kaas which only supports my point.

OTHER people's dark emotions. Not their own.

So you're refusing to provide the quote you claimed existed? Concession accepted.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But why would that make the energy gained from said emotions temporary?

Because he wasn't gaining energy from their emotions, but their deaths(which you'd know if you actually played or watched the game).

I'm pretty sure a comparison like that would favor Dromund Kaas which only supports my point.

It doesn't because all of Dromund Kaas isn't some uniform nexus, but regardless, the reason Kaas is a strong nexus is because of Vitiate's rituals to begin with.

OTHER people's dark emotions. Not their own.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Regardless, Vitiate doesn't have any emotions.

So you're refusing to provide the quote you claimed existed? Concession accepted.

This isn't a debate, so I don't have to endorse you being lazy. Not that it matters. Everyone else who's speaking with some authority here have seen or played RotE. Only you are in the dark.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because he wasn't gaining energy from their emotions, but their deaths(which you'd know if you actually played or watched the game).

It doesn't because all of Dromund Kaas isn't some uniform nexus, but regardless, the reason Kaas is a strong nexus is because of Vitiate's rituals to begin with.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Regardless, Vitiate doesn't have any emotions.

This isn't a debate, so I don't have to endorse you being lazy. Not that it matters. Everyone else who's speaking with some authority here have seen or played RotE. Only you are in the dark.

Ok, then why would the energy he gained from their deaths be temporary?

Why would that mean Vitiate can't benefit from it? Sidious benefited from Byss despite his actions causing the nexus there.

If he gained energy from their deaths then you're right in that it's a moot point.

Considering you're debating that Valkorian is not superior to Vitiate which is a highly contested subject that most people don't agree on I don't think you can successfully apply an ad populum fallacy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, the Outlander really does make Revan look like a total tool by comparison.
In what way?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, swallowing an entire populace is bound to make one more powerful than ever, lmao.
Actually, that's a pretty good point. Maybe he'll never be as powerful as he was before possessing that Voss Voice. Hopefully.

Besides, more interesting chars (like Malgus and Revan) deserve more respect.

Originally posted by darthbane77
In what way?

Revan's a complete failure and the Outlander/HoT shits all over him in hero cred.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan's a complete failure and the Outlander/HoT shits all over him in hero cred.
How is he a failure as a hero? He saved the Republic twice.

Once upon a dream, Neph was infatuated with Revan. Ant tore that away from him, and it looks like he'll never get it back.

He did pretty much the same with me and Anakin. He tends to inspire disgust and revulsion in any character he supports.

Originally posted by darthbane77
How is he a failure as a hero? He saved the Republic twice.

1 of those times from a threat he created. He endangered the Republic twice, not to mention attempted genocide on the Empire and inspired the RoT.

The events of Revan are almost comical in how ridiculously incompetent and stupid they make him look, honestly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
1 of those times from a threat he created. He endangered the Republic twice, not to mention attempted genocide on the Empire and inspired the RoT.

The events of Revan are almost comical in how ridiculously incompetent and stupid they make him look, honestly.

Were it not for Revan, Vitiate would've steamrolled the Republic centuries earlier.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Were it not for Revan, Vitiate would've steamrolled the Republic centuries earlier.
This to. Revan was saving the Republic from Vitiate for centuries.

Vitiate only would have steamrolled the Republic because Revan weakened it so much between him and the Triumvirate.

The actions of the Triumvirate are Traya's fault, not Revan's. And even with Revan's interference, the Empire pretty much won the war. So yes, Vitiate would have steamrolled them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate only would have steamrolled the Republic because Revan weakened it so much between him and the Triumvirate.

So the Republic got steamrolled by Revan's hastily constructed Empire after failing to beat some mandolorians without Revan's help, and now they're expected to defeat Vitiate's Empire?

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The Dread Masters would have ripped the Republic apart. 🙂

They didn't have the Jedi with them against the Mando's. And Revan had the Star Forge and Malachor's corruptive abilities. Vitiates Empire also wasn't as strong as it was in TOR.

I'm pretty sure Revan's Empire wasn't as formidable as Vitiate's, given that Revan beat his own basically singlehandedly.

The Republic was weak before the Mando Wars, they were still rebuilding from the war against Kun and Ulic. The Republic wasn't at full strength again until almost just prior to the war with the Vitiate, and the Empire pretty much dominated them; only calling a truce because; wait for it.....Revan convinced him to. Pretty heroic to me.