Rage Luke (ROTJ) vs Obiwan (ROTS)

Can Luke succeed where his father failed? Fight takes place on Mustafar.

1. Sabers.
2. Force.
3. All out

It's more or less a stomp in Luke's favor.

Doubt it.

If Mustafar Anakin couldn't get past Obi-Wan's defenses, I don't see Luke doing it at this early point in his Jedi career.

Obi Wan, easily.

Luke with ease.

Originally posted by GM Yoda
Obi Wan, easily.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Luke with ease.

😂

I can see a consensus coming here easily enough.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
😂

I can see a consensus coming here easily enough.

Kenobi

Luke, unless if you think Obi Wan >> Vader.

Obi Win

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Luke, unless if you think Obi Wan >> Vader.

Luke pummeled Vader to submission very quickly. He isn't losing to Obi-Wan.

Kenobi is out of his depth here. He dies.

Luke stomps.

Luke is not > Mustafar Anakin at this early stage.

If he wins it will be with a lot of difficulty. No way he stomps.

Luke is > Mustafar Anakin at this stage.

Wow. Unsupported statements are fun.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I don't think Obiwan > Vader and I don't think Star Wars exclusively deals in A > B > C logic. The Anakin vs Obiwan, Obiwan vs Dooku and Anakin vs Dooku fights are the textbook example of this.

Well if we're looking at it on a case by case basis, Luke was overwhelming Vader through his sheer strength in the Force - Vader was stumbling backwards even when Luke wasn't touching him. So even if Obi Wan is technically superior, it won't matter much because he'll be vomiting just from Luke's presence.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Luke is > Mustafar Anakin at this stage.

Wow. Unsupported statements are fun.

You really want me to get statements out? Because I'm being much kinder than Lucas's commentary. And let's not even think about Filoni's.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well if we're looking at it on a case by case basis, Luke was overwhelming Vader through his sheer strength in the Force - Vader was stumbling backwards even when Luke wasn't touching him. So even if Obi Wan is technically superior, it won't matter much because he'll be vomiting just from Luke's presence.

Vader was taken back unexpectedly by the power of Luke's rage amp. He was also taken back unexpectedly by Galens power in TFUI, but approached him much more cautiously in TFUII in which Vader had the definitive edge the whole fight.

Not that any of this has got anything to do with Kenobi whose defences held throughout ROTS Anakin's frenzy attack.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader was taken back unexpectedly by the power of Luke's rage amp.

You're really suggesting that if Vader just had some forewarning, he could've won that?

He was also taken back unexpectedly by Galens power in TFUI, but approached him much more cautiously in TFUII in which Vader had the definitive edge the whole fight.

The fight in TFU was close, and it isn't clear if Vader grew more powerful by TFUII, or if the Starkiller clone is weaker. Regardless, you're basically dismissing a very clear showing on rage Luke's part - his only showing for that matter - because it could just be the product of Vader being caught off guard. You could do that with anything.

Not that any of this has got anything to do with Kenobi whose defences held throughout ROTS Anakin's frenzy attack.

It's a matter of Luke's power in the Force making Vader stumble around even when Luke isn't touching him; it's not a question of bladework or Obi Wan's soresu.