Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Rune King Thor was implied to be incredibly powerful, cosmic in scale but he wasn't a battle board character. There isn't much to define him. He's definitely at least high end Skyfather in level. It was implied in Loki's book that the TWSAIS are actually the Beyonders which would indicate at least cosmic level power and would finally give us a more clear hierarchy placement.He wins here though. Conceptually speaking, I believe he was on a level beyond this. It reminded me of Ion Kyle. Not much feats but we were dealing with a level of power where nothing required a power challenge. His mortal experiences allowed him to shield his thoughts and machinations from TWSAIS but make no mistake, he acted without any fear or regard for their power and spat in their faces even in their own seat of power. They could do nothing to stop him and as witnessed they have no problem exerting complete power over the Gods. As a matter of fact, they even offered him a seat at their table to become one of them.
Agreed, he comes off as more "ascended" than SMOM.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... If I hadn't found this easily attainable info, I'd never would've accepted Thor doing his thing in their faces,
unless he was definitely more power than them. Now, it's still a mystery, but at-least it makes more sense.Those Who Sit Above in Shadow ...
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/thosewhositthor.htm
[b]Powers/Abilities:
"In their own Realm, this might be true,
and they were probably incredibly powerful seeing as they absorb massive amounts of energy
from the cycle of death and rebirth of Asgard,
which should give them power beyond belief.
However,
they seemed to have very limited control outside their own Realm, as they could not stop Thor from acting."Mr M [/B]
that guy speculating isn't exactly ironclad.... anyway, i mentioned that earlier as a possible reason too because it does make some sense and allows for a reasonable excuse for those above even though no real excuse beyond the purpose of the plot is necessary, imo. i agree with your conclusion though--we don't know if thor was more powerful than them for sure and if so by how much. we still don't even know who they are, though i don't buy the bit about them being beyonders for a second....
btw--anyone got scans of their most recent/current appearances?
Originally posted by leonidas
btw--anyone got scans of their most recent/current appearances?
Worth noting that TWSAIS were unable to defeat Loki, and he basically made them look like a gaggle of doltish buffoons.
in their defense--thor HAD destroyed the main source of their power i think, when he ended the cycle. i don't believe they would have been feeding anymore (or had fed in a long while, perhaps?) when they faced loki. not a completely defensible notion i admit, but....it MAY be a reasonable excuse for the way they were portrayed there as opposed to their earlier portrayal? maybe? /shrug
regardless, i agree with your general idea--nothing we saw from them or know of them can really be trusted. best if they are left out of vs threads imo, as they are nothing but a barrel full of speculation.
Oh, I'm sure TWSAIS were definitely weakened there. Despite that, they were still talking themselves up as these top-tier/invincible abstract entities... Hell, Odin's dream of them a few issues prior to the scene above, seemed to liken them to the friggin Beyonders:
http://i.imgur.com/U9dkm0N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BldHWjr.jpg
Again: it was just a dream sequence, but that's what I mean by not feeding into *all* of the statements/hyperbole surrounding them. They were clearly NOWHERE NEAR that powerful.
Originally posted by leonidas
in their defense--thor HAD destroyed the main source of their power i think, when he ended the cycle. i don't believe they would have been feeding anymore (or had fed in a long while, perhaps?) when they faced loki. not a completely defensible notion i admit, but....it MAY be a reasonable excuse for the way they were portrayed there as opposed to their earlier portrayal? maybe? /shrugregardless, i agree with your general idea--nothing we saw from them or know of them can really be trusted. best if they are left out of vs threads imo, as they are nothing but a barrel full of speculation.
Hence why I brought up the recent Loki showing. Most vague bunch of characters if I ever saw one...
Originally posted by Dareangel
this is a tricky 1 because kal kent is completely imune to magic. on the other hand like galan said, kal can be hurt by kryptonite and RKT will know it and simply create kryptonite or turn the whole battlefield into such. you know what would be interesting? we know that kal kent is hurt by kryptonite when he is not under the super sun, but what happens if he got kryptonite but he is under the super sun? maybe thats the reason his bio all over the internet says he is imune to kryptonite and has no weaknesses and basically invincible. because thats the situation under the super sun.
Well where does the "immune to kryptonite" thing come from? It has been a long time since I read the DC 1 million comics. Did they make a point to specifically mention that kryptonite was affecting him because he was away from his "super sun"?
As for the reason his bio's would say he is immune to kryptonite..if there wasn't a specific mention of kryptonite only working due to him being away from his sun, then I would assume it was because he was said to be unstoppable under his own sun.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hell, Odin's dream of them a few issues prior to the scene above, seemed to liken them to the friggin Beyonders:
http://i.imgur.com/U9dkm0N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BldHWjr.jpg
The only time Kryptonite was used against S1M, was when he was in another dimension and away from the Super Sun. It is entirely unknown if it'd still affect him if he were under his Sun... My best guess is: no.
That said, this battle takes place in a neutral/featureless environment, so the Super Sun *shouldn't* be in play by default.
Originally posted by zopzopYeah. Retarded. 👆
LOL, they even stole the OG Beyonder's speech almost word for word :
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yet you are the one proposing a no limits fallacy. You are proposing Superman's magic immunity spans the omniverse when there is no evidence of such.
If he has been shown to be immune to magic then I feel we'd need a reason to compartmentalize that immunity.
Also by this logic, how could we assume that kryptonite from a different universe would do any harm to Kal?
