Originally posted by Sin I AM
Can u prove otherwise?
Well, yeah. As I said before.
His training with the wild animals has proven enough for Wolverine to reconsider his approach and give up instead of going berserk. Deadpool hoped his insanity would be a triumph card against X, he found out he was wrong.
He probably had trouble reading Nuke, too - but was still going toe to toe with him... despite Nuke's cybernetic enhancements of all kinds... in pure h2h.
So again..
How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.
But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.
Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again..How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.
But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.
Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.
mister x defeated task master in a cage thats his thing fighting in cages and closed spaces. by now as the champion of cage fighting we can asume he knows perfectly how to combine his powers with his kingdom. aside of that there is the fact he owned wolverine hard as well as black widow while fighting other opponents and was getting gun fire shot at him. in the first fight i am sure he can take bane down considering he had no trouble ko wolverine. he is a martial artist after all and knows pressure points and things there is no reason for them to not work on bane without venom. bane with venom is a different story however mister x got a sword. bane will be chopped.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....no proof then?Bane has insane damage soak. Far more than Tasky, who is a known coward. More than Widow.
Not more than Wolverine, which is why I asked. If the various Hulks and Juggys and Things etc haven't been able to KO him, I call PIS on him KOing Wolvy.
what proof? are you trying to claim bane without venom cant be taken out by mister x? i am sorry what special durability feats does bane without the venom has to suggest that? all i need is to point out mister x took wolverine out and it will be enough. wolverine >>> bane without venom as far as durability and damage soak. he fought wolverine in a cage and was standing on his place and was avoiding wolverines hits. wana compare feats of fighting speed between wolverine and bane without venom? mister x was inflicting damage on nuke who is a walking terminator with super human durability and bullet proof skin. you trying to suggest bane without venom wont get hurt by mister x is just wierd and will need some feats to support his new found super durability...
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I love when people post scan they don't read and assume they support their argument. Danny explained to you why he got all of ONE hit off of Mr. X using his drunken style which Mr. X couldn't anticipate. This has been done countless times in comics and film and goes back to Jackie Chan's 1978 film Drunken Master. Bane can't do what Danny can do, so it's pretty foolish for you to bring that up.
And I love it when people assume that someone who posted the scan didn't read the scan or the whole issue or the whole arc. There are more than one way to bypass low level tp, Bane learned meditation techniques in prison and mind reading resistance going back to the early appearances. Plus with venom he can achieved a beserker rage similar to what Wolverine used to be X in the rematch.
But the most important thing is that Bane punches hard as crap, Mr. X can know something is coming and still not be able to block or counter effectively. Bane can still do sufficient damage through an attempted block. Look how effortlessly Cage caught his swords and that was after Paladin hit him with a brain scrambling weapon that was design to get pass his durability.
Mr. X simply doesn't posses the durability to stand up to Bane.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Remender has shat on the entire T-Bolts team in that issue - he was probably forced by some editor to write it, because they were still looking for a regular writer after Diggle left the book, I guess.Anyway, you want speed, X has shown it --- deflecting Widow's bullets fired from dual pistols or in the fight with Taskmaster you posted in the OP.
With streetlevers I don't know why people bring up bullet timing feats. Elektra has sliced Widow's bullets in half with just her sai. Shang Chi, Daredevil, Cap America has all redirected/dodged bullets after they were fired. That doesn't mean other streetlevers can't touch them. Bane has outreacted to gunfire and used a fired bullet to break free of handcuffs. For the most part all street levelers will get hits on each other. Batman has a ridiculous amount of bullet timing/aim dodging deflecting bullets with batarangs and such yet Bane even off of venom has no probably getting hits in on him.
Taskmaster is a good feat for Mr. X, yet he has been hit by Iron Fist and Luke Cage, so was Tasky jobbing or is that Mr. X's normal speed. I would argue the first seeing how Tasky has beaten Elektra and performed well against Cap before.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, yeah. As I said before.His training with the wild animals has proven enough for Wolverine to reconsider his approach and give up instead of going berserk. Deadpool hoped his insanity would be a triumph card against X, he found out he was wrong.
He probably had trouble reading Nuke, too - but was still going toe to toe with him... despite Nuke's cybernetic enhancements of all kinds... in pure h2h.
Naw. Not seeing it. Good point though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again..How strong is X? Yes, agree, he is faster, skilled, and will know what Bane will do.
But Bane does have insane damage soak....almost Punisher level. In an enclosed space, he will eventually corner X, whilst soaking up the hits.
Assuming of course, X isn't on average doing what Hulk et al have been unable to do, and KOing Wolvy.
What are you not getting? He is as strong as he has shown to be in combat with beings with enhanced strength. You keep talking about Banes damage soak like it's some sort of Trump card. Well how do you thing his damage soak compares to Wolverine? Speaking of Logan, his combat speed and all around speed dwarfs Banes and Mr. X DOMINATED Logan. Your math doesn't add up.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ridiculous? It's an actual trope son. Read more comics.So basically unless X is reading his opponents mind he's a subpar ma. 👍
Wrong son, that's your own bankrupt logic. Don't tell me to read comics when you cant even seem to reference comic book showings. "Hype" is not a showing and it belongs no where in this debate, son.
Originally posted by Dareangel
Carver you are making a mistake and getting drugged into defending mister x as a martial artist without his main powers. the thing is both danny and luke cage had to use plot device situation in order to overcome his abilities. facts are for this fight he can use his powers without something preventing it. so IMO he will destroy in both fights. giving him swords is an overkill. he will just know exatly when bane is trying to punch and cut his arm off. bane cant win in this fight. unless bane suddenly is as fast as quicksilver...
Exactly, well said as I pointed out earlier. Without the introduction of a plot device, Bane has NO COUNTER for X and these Bane fans will have to accept that fact. Once again for the record, I hate this cheese ball character and I'd be happy if he died 5 seconds from now, but his powers are what they are and Banes are what they are. With these stips, Mr. X beats him 10/10.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What are you not getting? He is as strong as he has shown to be in combat with beings with enhanced strength. You keep talking about Banes damage soak like it's some sort of Trump card. Well how do you thing his damage soak compares to Wolverine? Speaking of Logan, his combat speed and all around speed dwarfs Banes and Mr. X DOMINATED Logan. Your math doesn't add up.
So X hits harder than Thing, Juggernaut, Hulk et al?
Seeing as NONE of them have been able to consistently put Wolverine down.
Yet, X can.
So you tell me how does the math add up. X hits harder than almost every brick in Marvel?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Once again for the record, I hate this cheese ball character and I'd be happy if he died 5 seconds from now, but his powers are what they are and Banes are what they are. With these stips, Mr. X beats him 10/10.
you might hate the character, but he's still Marvel. Am I right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey carv.Can I take Bane's highest showings WITHOUT Venom, add Venom (which allowed Batman to bloody Superman), then draw a line and use that as showings for Venomed up Bane?
I think Bane fought Killer Croc without venom and broke his arm. Not sure if that's his highest showing.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong son, that's your own bankrupt logic. Don't tell me to read comics when you cant even seem to reference comic book showings. "Hype" is not a showing and it belongs no where in this debate, son.
I must've struck a nerve. My point stands. It's a trope. Whenever a new big villain shows up in order to establish how bad ass he is he curbs an already established villain. Take Rulk for example. For absolutely no reason at all he killed Blonsky just for writers to prove he's not to be phucked with. Same goes for Mr. X with Taskmaster, onslaught wayyy before the writers even hashed out who or what he was beat the hell out of Marko and punted him...i could go on
Its plot armor that degradea over time which is y Ross can one shot a watcher yet get choked out by Wonder Man. Damn noobs