Mr. X vs Bane

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine was fighting mindcontrol - stated on panel in the very same issue - and missing a portion of his soul! 😱

The spirits of jinzin, srank and battlehammer are within me. I could slap you back into oblivion... but I won't. I'm glad you're back with us, the kmc veterans... ah, the nostalgia.

Did you know that Raz isn't even the owner of the site anymore, apparently? haermm It's a minor miracle this place still exists.

Yea I mentioned he was mindcontrolled, my point was that I don't think it made any difference. Oh yea forgot about portion of soul missing thing not sure how far back that went. Anyway my point isn't that it's not impressive, my point is Wolverine can be dodgey sometimes. Oh you're being funny kinda, sry doing stuff and got things on my mind. Yea those days were crazy.

Don't know anything about that.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I mentioned he was mindcontrolled, my point was that I don't think it made any difference. Oh yea forgot about portion of soul missing thing not sure how far back that went. Anyway my point isn't that it's not impressive, my point is Wolverine can be dodgey sometimes. Oh you're being funny kinda, sry doing stuff and got things on my mind. Yea those days were crazy.

He did mention fighting it, though. Right after the DD fight, when the mind-control got broken. Another example of him resisting it we see in his fight with the Thing... when he considers losing to Ben, so it can be "all over", but other voices in his brain take control...

Tieri's Wolverine did use skill. So it's not like he wasn't trying against X. His HF was far from being at its prime when he got KO'd, though, having gone through a lot of shit.

Originally posted by Deadline
Don't know anything about that.

That's the problem. Nobody knows a thing. Raz made Ush a co-admin, but it's just a title; no actual forum powers. There have been many glitches since the last server move, of course they're still not fixed and it's not likely that'll ever happen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did mention fighting it, though. Right after the DD fight, when the mind-control got broken. Another example of him resisting it we see in his fight with the Thing... when he considers losing to Ben, so it can be "all over", but other voices in his brain take control...

Tieri's Wolverine did use skill. So it's not like he wasn't trying against X. His HF was far from being at its prime when he got KO'd, though, having gone through a lot of shit.

Gimmie a break haven't read it in ages. Anyway I think I've read at least two characters saying that his HF makes him sloppy. Think the characters were Crossbones and Angel (after Wolverine got beaten by some were wolves). Like I'm saying if you can't be bothered to dodge it's going to affect your skill.

I'm sure he does use skill I'm just saying he's not always like that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

That's the problem. Nobody knows a thing. Raz made Ush a co-admin, but it's just a title; no actual forum powers. There have been many glitches since the last server move, of course they're still not fixed and it's not likely that'll ever happen.

Sorry to hear that, does seem a little dead. Hate to say this but I'm not sure if I'm gonna be back for long.

Hey, good that you're at least dropping by. Some guys have disappeared completely.

Have you watched Luke Cage on netflix? Still need to see it. Apparently a success, much like other Marvel shows.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine was fighting mindcontrol - stated on panel in the very same issue - and missing a portion of his soul! 😱

The spirits of jinzin, srank and battlehammer are within me. I could slap you back into oblivion... but I won't. I'm glad you're back with us, the kmc veterans... ah, the nostalgia.

Did you know that Raz isn't even the owner of the site anymore, apparently? haermm It's a minor miracle this place still exists.

The spirit of capt it up? lmao

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

All righty, so I've been asked to show Bane's durability. At first, I thought I'd do nu52 Bane - but OP showed pre-52. OK.

WITH Venom, Bane has tanked Batman's attacks. So what? Well, Batman had Superman's powers at the time. So Batman's skills at punching + Superman's powers, failed to KO Bane:
http://imgur.com/zlJIxbM

WITHOUT, he has taken ~500 bricks being smashed into his face and body, by a superstrong villain:
http://imgur.com/5u8AN6c
http://imgur.com/aZkSJ3P
http://imgur.com/pbpchOS

WITHOUT, Nightshade was unable to put him down, even when using pressure point attacks:
http://imgur.com/gyGzoRc
http://imgur.com/Z5a7EDX

WITHOUT Venom, he was fighting Azrael, himself a superstrong, highly skilled fighter, who was AMPED on Venom...and Azrael was still losing. Note too, that punching an unamped Bane is like punching concrete:
http://imgur.com/oYsLt0c
http://imgur.com/g8nY8cD

Speaking of concrete, here he is, OFF Venom, being smashed repeatedly into concrete so hard, he's breaking it. By Grendel, a WW foe. Doesn't KO him:
http://i.imgur.com/wrZkHLL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qblLHPS.jpg

WITHOUT Venom, he was thrown a really far distance, and wasn't killed:
http://imgur.com/a/7Lqdg

He also routinely gets shot and stabbed, without any pause:

And breaks metal collars designed to kill him:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TDkjWc9NWaI/AAAAAAAAN2o/fTuuctvn36o/s1600/Secret+Six+23+-+bane1.jpg

He def isn't human level in his durability.

Strength wise? WITHOUT Venom, he rips a guy's arm off (whilst said guy is wearing powered armour) and beats him to death:
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679896-secretsix23012.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67407/1679892-secretsix23020.jpg

There are other feats, but this should be enough for now. He's also been so fast, he's snuck up on Batman, Tim Drake, blitzed guys before they've had a chance to shoot...

IOW, X is faster. Has the precog. Bane has been shot and stabbed, multiple times, and he just keeps coming. Here, he is shot in the shoulder, then uses the exact same arm to casually break a guy's arm, one handed.

Without Venom.:
http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2382881-4.jpg

👆

Not only that, but he's built up his durability and endurance. He was trapped in prison for 17 years, nearly drowning everyday for hours.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, PIS then. Thought so. Yes, we can ignore it if it is PIS. X KOing Wolverine when almost every other brick has been unable to - when Wolverine has even survived being decapitated, and flayed down to his bones etc....is PIS.

I disagree with this reasoning.

The reason why the tanks are never able to put Wolverine down is that they're never hitting him with consecutive strikes. They usually punch him and send him flying away.

WWH. Needed repeated hits. Not one, or two.

Guess X is on that level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WWH. Needed repeated hits. Not one, or two.

Guess X is on that level?

X didn't just need two hits, and he wasn't exactly giving Wolverine braindamage.

And when they fought Wolverine had been fighting the whole day, getting shot, burned and so on.

And started said day with 25 beers - stated on panel - and countless smokes. "Not even a decent booze" haermm

Originally posted by krisblaze
The spirit of capt it up? lmao

I couldn't have not included him. Phantom's archnemesis... 😖hifty:

So as I suspected, X KOing him had some context. Thanks guys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So as I suspected, X KOing him had some context. Thanks guys.

No worries, and I always interpreted it as Wolverine taking quite a few hits.

Originally posted by krisblaze
X didn't just need two hits, and he wasn't exactly giving Wolverine braindamage.

And when they fought Wolverine had been fighting the whole day, getting shot, burned and so on.

That's right.

He also took the time to change his clothes and clean up before facing Mr. X, so there was at least a little time between the fighting and one vs one.

No idea whether Wolverine's "healing factor" gets tired as the day wears on, but I always understood a lot of damage all at once can overload him, but he generally has infinite stamina.. (Does he need to sleep?)

Originally posted by Zack M
Bane is above street level.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's right.

He also took the time to change his clothes and clean up before facing Mr. X, so there was at least a little time between the fighting and one vs one.

No idea whether Wolverine's "healing factor" gets tired as the day wears on, but I always understood a lot of damage all at once can overload him, but he generally has infinite stamina.. (Does he need to sleep?)

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Meh, I'm speaking in general terms. The KMC list, while good, includes a lot of heroes the average reader would call "street."

It's the exact opposite actually. Doing all your damage in one blow is a terrible strategy against Wolverine. You want to spread out your damage across consecutive attacks, so his healing factor will start working overtime and slow down. Once it slows down, the damage you deal will actually last.

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

All I'm hearing, is "Iron Fist is Wolverine's worst nightmare." 😉

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's the exact opposite actually. Doing all your damage in one blow is a terrible strategy against Wolverine. You want to spread out your damage across consecutive attacks, so his healing factor will start working overtime and slow down. Once it slows down, the damage you deal will actually last.

It's why Spiderman or Mr X(w/ swords) could take a majority but Thing or Luke Cage never will. It's frequency + avoiding Wolverine stabbing you back, which most bricks can't do.

Where's the applause smiley?