What is the appeal of Darth Vader ?

Originally posted by Raptor22
quan u haven't made a point or argument in response to me in this thread. Your responses have been the equivalent of an incoherent old man, rambling jibberish to himself as he's feeding some ducks down by the pond.

Make a valid argument for something or don't, like I've said before i dont care either way. I'll continue to make fun of u while im pinching a loaf during my afternoon break, or when im dropping one after work. I respond to u at those times because outside of the fact that i refuse to waste any of my actual time in dealing with u, I find it kind of symbolic that while im reading thru all of the crap that u spew, im spewing a bit of my own. It only seems fair.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Quanchi ran from me when I challenged him to a Khan vs Ahsoka battle zone challenge... And that was pre-Rebels Ahsoka 😂

Originally posted by Kurk
It's not hypocritical at all to criticize Vader. You can't compare the two. It's like apples and oranges. One actually rose back up after his shortcomings and built a successful syndicate powerful enough to draw the attention of Sidious personally. The other was a failure from the beginning who allowed himself to be manipulated like a naive three-year-old child over some pussy and ultimately served as a glorified errand boy to Sidious.

I'm so proud.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yes Sidious chose the latter.. Go figure

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your insults don't detract from your lack of an argument. You also had the chance to accept a judged debate but you just sat here scared.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so still no points or arguments, and a made up challenge. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so still no points or arguments, and a made up challenge. Concession accepted.

Truth is he ran from a Khan vs TCW Ahsoka judged debate 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Truth is he ran from a Khan vs TCW Ahsoka judged debate 😂

Where dis?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Where dis?

In the movie versus forum like last year.

I offered him the challenge, he refused. Probably because Joker had already opened a Khan vs Ahsoka thread there, which he was Trolling all over, and Ahsoka's overall physical feats were clearly superior, without adding TK into the mix.

Originally posted by Kurk
Yeah but what matters more than the failure is his ability to rise back up from it. Do we ever see this from Vader? No. The man is a miserable mess and accepts his fate post Padme's-death. He even accepts that he is a tool of Sidious and knows the dark-side ruined him when he says "It is too late for me son" in RotJ.

Maul was always seen as the underdog and he actually succeeded at life after TPM. Vader was the so called chosen one from the beginning and turned out as an over-emotional jedi who never reached his full potential. After being manipulated like a child by Sidious, he lost everything he had and cared for and spent the rest of his life as a complete tool.

Who's the real failure now?

What??? Maul in no way shape or form succeeded more than Vader. That's beyond silly. Anakin as a child was so renowed and special that it was blatantly apparent to see. I no way do we see this about Maul. Look what he did as an unknowing but still badass boy LOL. He later goes on to succeed in the jedi order. Making it to the counsel younger than anybody in history. That poops on anything Maul EVER did.

Shall we look at who they've beaten in direct combat? Of course not right? That would mean you would utterly get curbed in this argument. That didn't just randomly happen by accident. It took skill, power, and a wide variety of abilities to accomplish them. Anakin beating Dooku alone is vastly better than anything Maul accomplish. You can go on and on about emotional fragility, but the reality is, he still accomplished amazing feats and saved the days countless times.

Please, do tell me what Maul ever accomplished. He got beaten by a padawan Kenobi and turned into a pint sized midget. That was impressive? Was it impressive how the tried to take dooku in combat, and with help, and couldn't get the better of him? Or how about getting curbed by the emperor? Please don't talk about what they accomplished, and that is just Anakin, we could get in Vader acomplishments after going to the darkside. Once you tried to agree with Quan, you should've know you were wrong.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Truth is he ran from a Khan vs TCW Ahsoka judged debate 😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Once you tried to agree with Quan, you should've know you were wrong.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing I said is made up. It can all be verified on this site. Concession accepted is something I do so you're trying to imitate me. That's a form of flattery. Now run along you relative unknown.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What??? Maul in no way shape or form succeeded more than Vader. That's beyond silly. Anakin as a child was so renowed and special that it was blatantly apparent to see. I no way do we see this about Maul. Look what he did as an unknowing but still badass boy LOL. He later goes on to succeed in the jedi order. Making it to the counsel younger than anybody in history. That poops on anything Maul EVER did.

Shall we look at who they've beaten in direct combat? Of course not right? That would mean you would utterly get curbed in this argument. That didn't just randomly happen by accident. It took skill, power, and a wide variety of abilities to accomplish them. Anakin beating Dooku alone is vastly better than anything Maul accomplish. You can go on and on about emotional fragility, but the reality is, he still accomplished amazing feats and saved the days countless times.

Please, do tell me what Maul ever accomplished. He got beaten by a padawan Kenobi and turned into a pint sized midget. That was impressive? Was it impressive how the tried to take dooku in combat, and with help, and couldn't get the better of him? Or how about getting curbed by the emperor? Please don't talk about what they accomplished, and that is just Anakin, we could get in Vader acomplishments after going to the darkside. Once you tried to agree with Quan, you should've know you were wrong.

You're right, Anakin was an unknowing boy all his life which is what ultimately led him to his fate of being manipulated like a puppet. The only reason why he was placed on the council was so he could spy on Palpatine for the jedi. He's not a real member as Anakin acknowledges himself when he bitches about not being a master.

Anakin struggled against Dooku for years and only knew how to think with his muscles and not his head. Maul on the other-hand was a master mind who built up a powerful syndicate and ultimately succeeded in capturing both of Sidious's pawns.

Maul, like almost every other sith, suffered from overconfidence issues at times. This is a minor character flaw when compared to Anakin's inability to control his emotions. Maul had both Kenobi and Kanan dead to rights—surely you're not going to argue against that.

Originally posted by Raptor22
By that logic, if someone makes an embarassing fool of themself they're trying to imitate u as well. Keep on being true to you are quan.

Kurk is taking him to the cleaners.

And yet Palpatine chose Vader over Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yet Palpatine chose Vader over Maul.

@ Kurk

So you typed all that and did post anything of significance that changes the argument. I don't care that he was abused as a poor child and managed to overcome that. Whoopty Do. That isn't much of an accomplishment. For all the emotional instability Anakin showed (and he did have such moments, just less that what you and Quan are saying), he sure accomplished vastly more than Maul, which again, is the point.

As a little boy he was already building his own pod racer, developing and building an advanced robot from scratch. This blows out of the water anything Maul ever did. Further, and again, he was a member of the Jedi counsel, and the youngest ever. You can try and minimize that feat, but again, it's greater than anything Maul ever did. Anakin was the youngest ever. The reason he wasn't made master is because the Council was concerned over the relationship between Anakin and Palps, but that was the reason, nothing to do about his skill or track record. His exploits in the Clone Wars warranted his position.

While all the above is true, you'd also be left with Anakin beating somebody better than anybody Maul ever beat. Anakin was beating Sith apprentices with vastly more years of experience than him. Maul was losing to Padawan's with barely any experience. They are so far removed from each other when it comes to accomplishments it's not even funny. So you can talk about emotions all you want, Anakin still did far more and beat far better than Maul ever did.