Originally posted by MythLord
He was still causing a good portion of that disbalance himself, which is the point; and is attacking the Jedi and interferring with their senses, mind and precognition from across the galaxy passively.
Still waiting for Yoda's answer to drain. Since morals are off here - which more or less means out of character, Valkorion would probably manifest these powers in combat.
We know Valkorion can drain an entire planet under ambiguous circumstances, and we know lesser Sith who's power is "insignificant" compared to a lesser incarnation of Valkorion [Vitiate] can use drain in combat. We also know Yods couldn't do shit to the Dark Reaper and would have been near instant killed had he gotten to close, per the in-game dialogue.
Put 2 and 2 together, and I can see drain ****ing Yoda up badly - maybe not enough to outright one-shot because Yoda's reserves are ridiculous, but prolly enough to vitiate [pun not intended] his ability to call on the Force to a solid degree.
Originally posted by Azronger
Wrong.The old 2008 databank, Darth Plagueis. RotS novelization all state that the imbalance is the result of Sidious' personal power in the Force. DE, EE, and DE sourcebook further state that Sidious personally imbued the entire galaxy with the dark side, even after balance had been restored by Anakin.
Imbalance was due to a number of factors and Palpatine was just a part of the equation. Darth Plagueis novel retconned earlier explanations. Read it properly.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Still waiting for Yoda's answer to drain. Since morals are off here - which more or less means out of character, Valkorion would probably manifest these powers in combat.We know Valkorion can drain an entire planet under ambiguous circumstances, and we know lesser Sith who's power is "insignificant" compared to a lesser incarnation of Valkorion [Vitiate] can use drain in combat. We also know Yods couldn't do shit to the Dark Reaper and would have been near instant killed had he gotten to close, per the in-game dialogue.
Put 2 and 2 together, and I can see drain ****ing Yoda up badly - maybe not enough to outright one-shot because Yoda's reserves are ridiculous, but prolly enough to vitiate [pun not intended] his ability to call on the Force to a solid degree.
Contrary to the assumptions of some members, Valkorion utilized Force Drain powers to bolster his strength and satiate his hunger for a long time. He also demonstrated on Ziost that he could utilize his Force Drain powers to lethal end, should he desire. Therefore, this is a matter of choice for him. Relatively much inferior Sith have utilized Force Drain powers in combat situations so Valkorion would have no trouble with the same objective and that he would be rather much deadly in comparison.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloI'm not seeing the logic here, what aspect of Valkorion's character prevents him from using drain in combat, and indeed, has he ever?
Still waiting for Yoda's answer to drain. Since morals are off here - which more or less means out of character, Valkorion would probably manifest these powers in combat.
We know Valkorion can drain an entire planet under ambiguous circumstances, and we know lesser Sith who's power is "insignificant" compared to a lesser incarnation of Valkorion [Vitiate] can use drain in combat. We also know Yods couldn't do shit to the Dark Reaper and would have been near instant killed had he gotten to close, per the in-game dialogue.Where is it stated that the Dark Reaper would instantly kill Yoda? And what feats does Valkorion have that compare?Put 2 and 2 together, and I can see drain ****ing Yoda up badly - maybe not enough to outright one-shot because Yoda's reserves are ridiculous, but prolly enough to vitiate [pun not intended] his ability to call on the Force to a solid degree.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm not seeing the logic here, what aspect of Valkorion's character prevents him from using drain in combat, and indeed, has he ever?Where is it stated that the Dark Reaper would instantly kill Yoda? And what feats does Valkorion have that compare?
I dunno, because it really isn't he go to move? The same reason Kun has all these sorcery attacks and temple damaging Force Blast, and didn't use it in actual combat when he was in his physical form, or the fact that Palpatine, who was stated to master every known Force power. and created others at a whim, only has used rudimentary TP, lightning, Force Combustion and TK in combat actual combat. They simply.....don't.
Usually when people state morals off, they are out of character and use all their abilities to the fullest. Also, he [presumingly] used drain on his father when he severed him from the Force a la Nihilus and Traya. But besides that, if lesser Sith Lords that are collectively "insignificant" [The Dread] in power compared to pre-Valkorion Vitiate, and should be below his mastery as well by a wide degree, used it in combat, then why can't he use it in combat - even if he didn't have have he Dramath showings?
It was stated if any Jedi sans Anakin got near it, they would quickly fall, or something along those. Anakin was the only person that stood a chance at shutting it down, and even then, he could only get so close to it before being drained and killed.
As for Valkorion, as I said, while he drained Ziost under dubious circumstances that "represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme." The Dark Reaper best showings is draining a forest of unprepared Jedi and armies during the Sith Wars - impressive showings, possibly only surpassed by Nihilus, tbh. Though, even if we do assume Valkorion drain is 1/1000 the ability of what he shown during the Ziost campaign because of the polarizing circumstances surrounding the calamity, he would still share a degree of parity with the Reaper, even if a little.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloIn most instances that can be chalked up to then simply not needing to, except where their opponent posed a serious threat.
I dunno, because it really isn't he go to move? The same reason Kun has all these sorcery attacks and temple damaging Force Blast, and didn't use it in actual combat when he was in his physical form, or the fact that Palpatine, who was stated to master every known Force power. and created others at a whim, only has used rudimentary TP, lightning, Force Combustion and TK in combat actual combat. They simply.....don't.Usually when people state morals off, they are out of character and use all their abilities to the fullest. Also, he [presumingly] used drain on his father when he severed him from the Force a la Nihilus and Traya. But besides that, if lesser Sith Lords that are collectively "insignificant" [The Dread] in power compared to pre-Valkorion Vitiate, and should be below his mastery as well by a wide degree, used it in combat, then why can't he use it in combat - even if he didn't have have he Dramath showings?
On the other hand, despite being a master of the power, Sidious did indeed fail to use Force drain against Yoda. And in none of the examples of combat usage of drain you've raised, have any of them been up against a comparable opponent. So what reason is there not to believe that the reason Sidious failed to use drain against his opponent, was because Yoda didn't give him a chance to effectively do so? And why should Valkorion fare any better?
It was stated if any Jedi sans Anakin got near it, they would quickly fall, or something along those. Anakin was the only person that stood a chance at shutting it down, and even then, he could only get so close to it before being drained and killed.This is rather vague, and I have an itchy feeling that you've taken a generalised remark and used it as a carte blanche to apply it to anyone and everyone in the Order. Care to prove me wrong?
As for Valkorion, as I said, while he drained Ziost under dubious circumstances that "represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme." The Dark Reaper best showings is draining a forest of unprepared Jedi and armies during the Sith Wars - impressive showings, possibly only surpassed by Nihilus, tbh. Though, even if we do assume Valkorion drain is 1/1000 the ability of what he shown during the Ziost campaign because of the polarizing circumstances surrounding the calamity, he would still share a degree of parity with the Reaper, even if a little.In non-combat circumstances yes, but really what evidence is there that he can pull that level of power off in a fight? Or even anything on level with the Dark Reaper?
Bearing in that there is every possibility that the Dark Reaper could unleash more potent bursts than Valk, but simply lacked the apparatus to extend this over a planetary area. It did after all appear to employ a focused laser weapon to drain it's targets.
Just for quick clarification DC, The Dark Reaper drained the forests on the Kashyyyk moon. Alaris Prime was a small forest moon, Mon Calamari, Agamar and Bakura were also drained similarly.
So it seems to me the Dark Reaper has small moon level draining at the least that's quantifiable anyway.
Also of course draining entire armies of Jedi.