Originally posted by AncientPower
He's a 'living embodiment', 'the dark side incarnate', he's literally stated to have evolved beyond mere practice. His displays of the dark side are stated to be the dark side taken to its most extreme. In other words you literally can't surpass that degree of dark side mastery and power, he's reached the pinnacle.Better yet Valkorion has absorbed the largest dark side nexus ever, the effects of which wiped out all life, color and the Force itself across Nathema, even causing the sun to be effected. The greatest effects any dark side nexus has caused in history.
When Lord Scourge brushes Vitiate's mind for a mere moment he is stated to feel the 'void of annihilation'. Revan himself also notes that the dark side radiated from Vitiate in palpable waves, barely contained by his shell. Not take into account Ziost and you can begin to form a picture.
Sidious is also stated to be a dark side nexus but the effects he unleashed weren't nearly to the same degree at all.
Valkorion also uses Force techniques that are not dark side techniques. The restoration of the Force to Nathema comes to mind as absolutely not dark side oriented.
When was any of this stated, exactly? Regardless, he's still someone who uses the Dark Side and actively engages in it's practice, whether you want him to evolve beyond the practice or not, he clearly hasn't. He only thinks he has, or he's bluffing to try and convert the Outlander. Palpatine's quotes apply not matter how badly you want them not to.
Sidious was literally a galaxy-spanning DS nexus that was influencing the Jedi's precognition and even Yoda's mental barriers. And this is all while trying to be as subdued as possible so as to not tick off the Jedi to his location/identity.
Sidious' mere holographic projection was enough to create planet-wide storms.
Valkorion really doesn't compare.
Originally posted by darthbane77
"He's a 'living embodiment', 'the dark side incarnate', he's literally stated to have evolved beyond mere practice. His displays of the dark side are stated to be the dark side taken to its most extreme. In other words you literally can't surpass that degree of dark side mastery and power, he's reached the pinnacle."What quotes are those? I've never seen them before.
"The Emperor is the dark side incarnate."
- Star Wars The Old Republic Shadow of Revan
The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
The Emperor was no longer a member of the Sith species; his power and immortality had transformed him into a being unique in the galaxy.
- Star Wars The Old Republic Revan
Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Sith Emperor: Codex Entry "Death of a World"
Originally posted by MythLord
When was any of this stated, exactly? Regardless, he's still someone who uses the Dark Side and actively engages in it's practice, whether you want him to evolve beyond the practice or not, he clearly hasn't. He only thinks he has, or he's bluffing to try and convert the Outlander. Palpatine's quotes apply not matter how badly you want them not to.Sidious was literally a galaxy-spanning DS nexus that was influencing the Jedi's precognition and even Yoda's mental barriers. And this is all while trying to be as subdued as possible so as to not tick off the Jedi to his location/identity.
Sidious' mere holographic projection was enough to create planet-wide storms.
Valkorion really doesn't compare.
Sidious was not literally a galaxy spanning nexus, he on-top of the efforts of preceding Sith caused a major imbalance that had the dark side reign supreme.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious was not literally a galaxy spanning nexus, he on-top of the efforts of preceding Sith caused a major imbalance that had the dark side reign supreme.
He was still causing a good portion of that disbalance himself, which is the point; and is attacking the Jedi and interferring with their senses, mind and precognition from across the galaxy passively.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious was not literally a galaxy spanning nexus, he on-top of the efforts of preceding Sith caused a major imbalance that had the dark side reign supreme.
Wrong.
The old 2008 databank, Darth Plagueis. RotS novelization all state that the imbalance is the result of Sidious' personal power in the Force. DE, EE, and DE sourcebook further state that Sidious personally imbued the entire galaxy with the dark side, even after balance had been restored by Anakin.
Originally posted by MythLordHis powers are also described as boundless, Shitiate can't beat Sidious in any contest I'm afraid. 🙁
And Sidious can "destroy all of space" with his Force Storms, so he's clearly multiversal. Yoda is comparable to Sidious so Yoda is at least multi-universal.He solos 8 million Valks! 👆