Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wrong.Imbalance was due to a number of factors and Palpatine was just a part of the equation. Darth Plagueis novel retconned earlier explanations. Read it properly.
Take your own advice and read it properly yourself. It retconned absolutely nothing. In the very novel Sidious imbalances the Force with his mere presence after he kills his Master
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15960229#post15960229
Vitiate takes another L.
Can you read? Seriously.
He and Plagueis caused the imbalance in the first place after capitalising upon the efforts of Tenebrous' master. Plagueis freely admits that their timing was perfect, that everything had aligned for them. Plagueis himself was capable of doing things he couldn't before they instigated the imbalance of the Force.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Oh my god AP, you've literally gone off into the deep end. 😐Try and comprehend the concept of [b]hyperbole
. Vitiate is not literally the dark side incarnate, nor is he the pinnacle of anything, he's not even as powerful as the Son kek. He's a practitioner of the dark side like any other, and the SWTORE literally describes him as such. Shame.P.S. Last time I checked, Shitiate never enveloped the galaxy in the dark side with his sheer presence, nor became a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine. 🙁 [/B]
But I'm supposed to take 'all of space' completely seriously? 😂
His prowess and mastery over the dark side literally transformed him into such a being, who wasn't interested in the resurgence of the dark side but total galactic devastation as a means of complete immortality. You're asking Vitiate to shoot for goals he had no interest in.
Vitiate was far more powerful than the likes of Revan, who was causing a lasting and growing cancer in the Force that practically everybody Force sensitive could feel throughout the galaxy. An absence of evidence arhument ain't gonna cut it.
Except none of that ever actually happened, that was Luke sensing him through the Force.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
In non-combat circumstances yes, but really what evidence is there that he can pull that level of power off in a fight? Or even anything on level with the Dark Reaper?
Last time I checked, the entire planet was a battleground between Vitiate and his enemies. Vitiate's exploits on Ziost represent combat-oriented actions on his part.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Bearing in that there is every possibility that the Dark Reaper could unleash more potent bursts than Valk, but simply lacked the apparatus to extend this over a planetary area. It did after all appear to employ a focused laser weapon to drain it's targets.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
As for Valkorion, as I said, while he drained Ziost under dubious circumstances that "represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme." The Dark Reaper best showings is draining a forest of unprepared Jedi and armies during the Sith Wars - impressive showings, possibly only surpassed by Nihilus, tbh. Though, even if we do assume Valkorion drain is 1/1000 the ability of what he shown during the Ziost campaign because of the polarizing circumstances surrounding the calamity, he would still share a degree of parity with the Reaper, even if a little.
No, my friend.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/
Nothing dubious there.
Please keep in mind that SWTOR has no issue with promoting an act as a ritual (if it is one). For example:
What is known is that following the flight of Naga Sadow, the Emperor came to Korriban, gathered the remaining lords of the Sith and took them back with him to Nathema. There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords. The Ritual of Nathema is celebrated among Imperial scholars as a rare and amazing coming together of Sith for the good of the Empire.
From codex entry titled "The Ritual of Nathema."
However, what happened on Ziost is not a ritual. It is a clear demonstration of raw power:
Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.
Taken from the codex entry titled "Death of a World."
Additional:
He enjoyed a successful (and classified) career as a spy in the Republic Strategic Information Service, neutralizing Dark Council members and ultimately teaming up with Sith Lord Lana Beniko in an attempt to stop the Sith Emperor's cataclysmic destruction of Ziost.
Taken from the official profile of Theron Shan
Originally posted by AncientPower
[B]Can you read? Seriously.
I can read. You can't, apparently.
He and Plagueis caused the imbalance in the first place after capitalising upon the efforts of Tenebrous' master. Plagueis freely admits that their timing was perfect, that everything had aligned for them. Plagueis himself was capable of doing things he couldn't before they instigated the imbalance of the Force.
And then, after killing his Master, Sidious becomes so powerful the Force is imbalanced even further by his mere presence. This was literally explained in the link I posted.
Originally posted by AncientPowerNo, that was an explicit example of what not to take seriously. How are you this dumb?
But I'm supposed to take 'all of space' completely seriously? 😂
His prowess and mastery over the dark side literally transformed him into such a being, who wasn't interested in the resurgence of the dark side but total galactic devastation as a means of complete immortality. You're asking Vitiate to shoot for goals he had no interest in.So? Palpatine saturated the galaxy with the dark side through sheer presence alone, twice. It was a mere by-product of his power. Regardless what your saying is untrue, Vitiate remained interested in power, and an act of unbalancing the Force would have undoubtedly made him more powerful, and his goals altogether easier to achieve.
Vitiate was far more powerful than the likes of Revan, who was causing a lasting and growing cancer in the Force that practically everybody Force sensitive could feel throughout the galaxy. An absence of evidence arhument ain't gonna cut it.Cool, Vitiate has still never been described on the level that Palpatine has, nor to have a comparable cosmic impact on the Force.
Except none of that ever actually happened, that was Luke sensing him through the Force.I'm sorry the difference? What are you even referring to?
Originally posted by AncientPower
LMFAO.You can say the exact same things for almost all of Sidious' quotes.
Being "the most powerful" isn't hyperbolic, and sure there's some in-universe sources that say Palpatine is the most powerful, but there's just as much, if not more, objective, out-of-universe sources.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo? Nobody knew where Vitiate was so he obviously wasn't in personal combat with anyone.
Non-combat circumstances?Last time I checked, the entire planet was a battleground between Vitiate and his enemies. Vitiate's exploits on Ziost represent combat-oriented actions on his part.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI just did darling, it directs its energy through a laser beam, obviously not practical for AOE style attacks.
Provide evidence.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So? Nobody knew where Vitiate was so he obviously wasn't in personal combat with anyone.I just did darling, it directs its energy through a laser beam, obviously not practical for AOE style attacks.
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This just from the Force Harvester.
The Dark Reaper.
Looks like it can do AOE attacks to me.
It also does multiple laser thing at the boss battle.