Top 5 most powerful TP users in the Star Wars universe

SWTOR: E also states that Revan got driven insane from his experience, which you denied and said that SoR retconned.

I don't think that was SWTORE that said that.

Wouldn't SOR prove that rather than retcon it? mmm

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think that was SWTORE that said that.

It was.

After sacrificing sanity and years of his life to safeguard the Republic from the Emperor, Revan once again fell prey to the tragic flaw that previously drove him to spark the Jedi Civil War.

-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Wouldn't SOR prove that rather than retcon it? mmm

Indeed.

Page number? Besides, Revan obviously didn't walk out of there without scars. He was significantly changed.

That being said, let's look at their respective goals:

Vitiate and the Dread Masters wanted to:
- Pry knowledge from Revan to escalate war plan: FAILED, war postponed for three centuries
- Convert Revan into their servant again as Darth Revan: FAILED, Revan hates Vitiate more than ever
- Splitting Revan into two separate incarnations: SEMI-SUCCESS, the full split was finished on the Foundry
- Use Revan as a link to see Force visions: SUCCESS, Vitiate saw visions of the future through Revan

Revan wanted to:
- Postpone the war as long as he could: SUCCESS, war postponed for three centuries
- Influence Vitiate to sign the Treaty of Coruscant: SUCCESS, the Jedi and the Republic were saved
- Pry knowledge from Vitiate and the Dread Masters: SUCCESS, Revan learned "centuries of knowledge"

It's on page 73.

Note that same paragraph notes that Revan "endured" Vitiate's attempts for centuries. 👆

So yeah, obviously Revan into two, but as SoR states, that was Vitiate and the Dread Master's plan after realizing that Revan was too powerful to actually control or pry knowledge from in the first place.

Indeed. Although Meetra's Ghost also claims that Revan can't stand it much longer.

"stand it much longer"

The dude handled it for three-centuries. That's enough for any versus battle we'll ever discuss. 👆

And frankly, that might have to do more with the drain aspect of the war than the telepathy aspect.

Well, in fairness, he did have an unlimited supply of Force energies, although that was to counter the Drain (it might have been of use against the TP in some form, though I won't press something as conjectural as this).

Anyways, Revan's willpower might be greater than Vitiate's, but that doesn't mean his TP is stronger. Unless ANH Leia >>>> Vader in TP.

So did Vitiate. And frankly, I doubt spirit Exile's power is unlimited.

I never said his TP was stronger - I merely said Revan's TP is insane.

That being said, Revan's TP should be comparable or on par, given what he did to Vitiate.

I don't understand the comparison you're making with Leia and Vader, but it's probably dumb.

1. Probably, actually. She didn't actually become one with the Force, and if Revan was nearing breaking-point, she probably couldn't supply him with any more energy. Unless that means Revan was just about to be destroyed outright (mentally, of course).

2. In fairness, Revan accomplished this due to some "link" and with Vitiate unsuspecting, didn't he?

3. Leia completely resisted Vader's attempts to extract information from her, even after half an hour of drugging and torture. It's similar to Revan vs Vitiate, only she didn't influence Vader's mind (though of course she didn't even know she was Force sensitive then).

1. 👆

2. That was just the initial stage. In matters like the Treaty of Coruscant, Revan won't have the opportunity to subtly influence Vitiate like he was at the start. It would have to be a quick and direct influence, which is what SWTORE states. I also doubt he could do it unsuspecting with the DM also peering into Revan's mind.

3. Which is not even remotely, remotely comparable to anything we've discussed. Revan's TP is on par not because he resisted Vitiate, but because he influenced him and pried knowledge from him, lmfao.

And don't even dare compare being dominated and tortured by Vitiate and the DM for three centuries to a thirty minute torture session with Vader.

Han Solo could withstand the latter.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
1. 👆

2. That was just the initial stage. In matters like the Treaty of Coruscant, Revan won't have the opportunity to subtly influence Vitiate like he was at the start. It would have to be a quick and direct influence, which is what SWTORE states. I also doubt he could do it unsuspecting with the DM also peering into Revan's mind.

3. Which is not even remotely, remotely comparable to anything we've discussed. Revan's TP is on par not because he resisted Vitiate, but because he influenced him and pried knowledge from him, lmfao.

2. Is there any exposition on the DM's role in all of this?

3. Yes, my point is that the Treaty of Coruscant influence is Revan's saving grace. The resistance is a good showing of willpower, not TP.

It seems they all meditated together in a Kaas temple for centuries. I wonder what they were doing. mmm

😉

I never said the resistance is indication of TP. You're literally trying to find an argument to make here when there is none.

And no, it's not his saving grace, since he also postponed the war and pried knowledge from Vitiate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It seems they all meditated together in a Kaas temple for centuries. I wonder what they were doing. mmm

😉

I never said the resistance is indication of TP. You're literally trying to find an argument to make here when there is none.

And no, it's not his saving grace, since he also postponed the war and pried knowledge from Vitiate.

I know, I was making my point.

And he admits outright that he did those last two things due to the link. Doesn't the novel also say that Vitiate was oblivious to it or something? So he wasn't exactly shielding his mind from Revan.

- Convert Revan into Darth Revan

After sacrificing sanity and years of his life to safeguard the Republic from the Emperor, Revan once again fell prey to the tragic flaw that previously drove him to spark the Jedi Civil War.
-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia

mmm

Success?

-Convert Revan into their servant again

>Leads the Sith Empire to the Foundry
>Ressurects Vitiate

Success? 😱

No, because the novel just reflects the first year or so of the conflict, not the prolonged engagement. Revan subtly influencing Vitiate would be virtually impossible with the DM also inside his head. The novel doesn't mention the prying of knowledge, so the subtly thing can't be used for that either.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
After sacrificing sanity and years of his life to safeguard the Republic from the Emperor, Revan once again fell prey to the tragic flaw that previously drove him to spark the Jedi Civil War.
[b]-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia

mmm

Success?

>Leads the Sith Empire to the Foundry
>Ressurects Vitiate

Success? 😱 [/B]