Top 5 most powerful TP users in the Star Wars universe

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate wanted Revan to kneel before him and follow his every order.

where is that specifically stated in-game tho

When he says Vitiate wants him back like he had him in the good old days.

Revan didn't exactly follow Vitiate's every order as Darth Revan, lol.

Revan referring to pre-leaving Kaas Darth Revan, tbh

The good ol' KOTOR days when Revan wasn't Vitiate's ho and was rebelling against him meaningfully? 😕

EDIT: Ninja'd.

Anyways, Revan says that the same link gave him influence, so he obviously used it. He cites learning centuries of knowledge and convincing Vitiate that peace was in his best interest right after talking about the link.

No shit, because otherwise they would have been battling across the galaxy.

The link allowed for a direct telepathic contest within the battleground of their minds.

You're doing that thing again where you waste two hours of my time debating a meaningless and inaccurate point, so I recommend you stop.

Sure. But the novel states:

And Revan knew something the Emperor did not. The connection between them went both ways. There were brief moments—times when the Emperor was intently focused on something else—when he could subvert their relationship by planting seeds in the Emperor’s thoughts.

He had to be careful, lest his enemy discover what he was doing. But he was able to push and nudge the Emperor’s own thoughts and beliefs, subtly manipulating them in ways that could have profound effects. Revan played on the Emperor’s caution and patience, constantly pushing them to the forefront of his enemy’s mind. He augmented his irrational fear of death. At every opportunity he reinforced the idea that invading the Republic was reckless and dangerous.

-- The Old Republic: Revan

He's obviously good, but not top 5, I don't think.

Dude, I addressed that at least three times already.

Again, I never said he was top five, lol.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dude, I addressed that at least three times already.

Yeah, and you were wrong. The influence that Revan planted in Vitiate's mind would've accumulated to the point where he could convince Vitiate that peace was in his best interest. He was slowly augmenting the Emperor's caution and fear. This is obviously something built off previously accumulated influence. Suggesting that Revan more or less instantly influenced the Emperor to offer a treaty is basically suggesting that Revan mind controlled the Emperor.

As for the Dread Masters, obviously they weren't able to peer into Revan's mind every second of every day. We know they had to concentrate on other things such as tearing apart Republic fleets. They were also imprisoned well before the Treaty of Coruscant.

Again, I never said he was top five, lol.

I know. That's just my musing of where he ranks.

*sigh*

OK, let's do this again.

No, because Revan's postponing and tempering was ultimately overcame. Vitiate waged the war and nearly destroyed the Republic and the Jedi. And so at Vitiate's greatest victory, when his hatred and lust for revenge would be the highest, Revan influenced Vitiate to spare the Jedi and the Republic.

I'm referring to the three centuries prior to the war.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*sigh*

OK, let's do this again.

No, because Revan's postponing and tempering was ultimately overcame. Vitiate waged the war and nearly destroyed the Republic and the Jedi. And so at Vitiate's greatest victory, when his hatred and lust for revenge would be the highest, Revan influenced Vitiate to spare the Jedi and the Republic.

I'm referring to the three centuries prior to the war.

The Dread Masters' presence probably allowed Vitiate to get over Revan and declare war on the Republic. Then, when they were imprisoned, Revan began to be able to influence Vitiate again, and thus persuaded him to make peace with the Republic.

That explanation seems to make the most sense.

except the Dread were involved for centuries prior to the declaration of war, so no.

"Centuries" can actually mean only ~150 years. For instance, Vitiate is said to be millennia old, when he's only 1300 years.

Either way, the Treaty of Coruscant bit was obviously after the Dread Masters got imprisoned.

What do you mean "only"? A millennia means a 1000, so it fits. And no, two centuries min.

Never disputed that.

No, a millennium is 1000. Millennia is plural.

Thought you were talking about the former. A typo doesn't change English though, lmfao. Centuries means more than one, so two or three.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You're doing that thing again where you waste two hours of my time debating a meaningless and inaccurate point, so I recommend you stop.

BioWare constantly refers to things from the last 1300 years as occurring "millennia ago". I think we can see the pattern. And yes, more than a hundred years could be 130 or 150.

Either way, I've already made my point.