Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I wonder if you do any actual do any debating besides laughable cheer leading?
Spoiler:
To name a few:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635634&pagenumber=1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=632437&highlight=title%3A%28Urs%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635894&pagenumber=4
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthfallax/blog/my-interpretation-of-caedus-vs-luke-in-inferno/128961/#comments-block-1838821
You're right; he's stronger.
Ehh, I'll wait until I see concrete evidence of this. Luke beats Sidious because he can circumvent pretty much everything the latter has under his sleeves, and he's the superior martial combatant.
Lets stop using arbitrary cross era power-scaling to prove your point, lal.
He could no-sell UnuThul's turbolaser-bending TK to the point where a black hole would not have phased him. His casual telekinesis in the Black Fleet Trilogy is demonstrably greater than anything the team has done with lightning anyway
Umm, that black hole thing is obviously hyperbole, unless you're going to assume Luke's defenses is actually pushing the solar mass range. Beside that, telekinetic damage isn't nearly the same as damage from energy. One has been noted as being "nearly impossible" for even the most powerful Jedi Master to deflect, the other is capable of being repealed by even passive shields every Force user user possess.
I mean, correlating the two like you're doing right now is pretty flawed honestly. That's literally like using someone TK showings to prove how powerful their lightning would be, which, in this, case, would be pretty freaking monumental giving Jadus was holding together an entire 600 meter ship with his telekinetic, and he is literally nothing compared to Vitiate, let alone Valkorion. Or, I can just as easily say me Luke no-selling corrosive dark side energy sufficient enough to drain an entire planet, but I won't because that's retarded debating lmao. Show me Luke's Force defenses against attacks of the Force energy variety please because what you're saying isn't going to cut it, unless you think because Kas'im was capable of throwing up a shield in a split second that was capable of deflecting temple busting TK; we're going to to say could do the same with a turbolaser? 😂
Well Luke's a Jedi, but he is more powerful than Sidious, threw off Abeloth, and powerscaling and all.
That doesn't mean he's a better telepathic users, like, at all. 😬 Regardless, I'd argue Sidious wouldn't be capable of mind raping the DM's either.
Yeah, but this is peak Luke.
Even accounting for the power leap, I haven't seen anything that suggest Luke would just no sell the DM's TP with zero notable strain at all, lal.
Krayt's drain injured Luke while he fought Abeloth for hours (days?)
Citation needed for that, please. Regardless, Krayt's drain isn't on the same plane as Valkorion --- who, in a weaken state, was drained an entire planet via a "clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side". No rituals, or such were stated to be used. He became noticeably more powerful after pulling off this feat, btw.
Here, Luke can crush everyone but Valkorion and maaaaybe Revan within seconds, given that even as of the Black Fleet Trilogy he can turn a mountain sized fortress to dust, and given that as of NJO he can manipulate singularities
This feat, in combat, is worth about as much as Valkorion eating Ziost, which is to say, not nearly as effective as you're spinning it. Luke had time to concentrate and gather his energies for the fortress feat, neither did he do so instantaneously. The Black Hole feat is that plus 1,000, and left him completely exhausted:
Luke Skywalker had done this once, a couple of years ago. He'd mentioned it to the other Jedi. No one else had tried it because it had exhausted Luke to the point of collapse, and Jedi were seldom in a position to survive a technique that tired them so completely. They were past the second wave of coralskippers now and heading toward the cloud surrounding Jag. Beyond it, not far now, was the second interdictor. Kyp knew that other skips had to be converging on him and Jaina. He didn't bother to look at his sensor board. They weren't relevant now.And he didn't think he'd be as terribly drained as Luke by the technique. He was stronger in the Force than Luke Skywalker.
Regardless, it does show the raw power he holds, and that does transfer into combat obviously, but it will be far less potent and effective. Honestly, I don't see them going down instantaneously like you claim here. Vaylin and Arcann maybe, but not the Dread, Valkorion, and Revan. From then on there,
Valkorion alone is capable of giving Luke a fight with his god-like power and immense command of it -- attacking with:
1) Lightning that is, logically, far superior to shield bypassing, ship downing Sith Lightning "infinitely" more powerful than lightning that can char powerful Force sensitives, one-shotting Arcann, and casually wrecking Marr with nothing more than a gesture.
2) TK, through scaling that utterly dwarfs Jadus' own, who was capable of holding together ships, or collapsing a huge portian of the Dark Temple while heavily weakened and vastly weakened.
3) Drain sufficient enough to to siphon energy from Revan lightyears away, and potent enough in raw strength to eat an entire planet.
The Dreadmasters will be:
1) Telepathically attacking him with TP capable of mind slaving 100's of Sith, tearing apart fleets, and terrorizing planets.
2) Siphoning his energies like they did against the TOR protags
Revan, can teleport throughout the battlefield, while, likewise, attacking with:
1) Vitiate influencing telepathy.
2) Strike team ragdolling TK.
3) Using the Force to protect himself from Luke potent attacks with Force shields sufficient enough to protect himself from a blast powerful enough to raze all life an entire kilometer in range.
Luke is totally toast, honestly.
The team creams him and it isn't funny.
FYI, for all of the supposedly god-like power of FOTJ Luke, he was still far from eclipsing Krayt. As much as people want to wank the Beyond Shadows circumstance. It doesn't make up for the fact that Krayt prior to his Reborn instance wasn't even capable of surpassing Spirit!Muur who gets completely shat on by Darth Malak, even in Muur's prime. Which means Revan essentially shitstomps Reborn Krayt.
I'm not even trying here, either. SF!Malak changes everything.
FOTJ Krayt IS Vong Krayt, he's just Beyond Shadows. But that's not the point, Reborn Krayt's power growth doesn't make up for Muur's own limitations. Nor does it make up for how massively more powerful Malak is to Muur. Nor the fact a heavily weakened Prodigal Revan was still more powerful than Malak, Revan of course grows insanely more powerful by SoR.
When you can form coherent sentences that aren't riddled with era wank horseshit, certainly.
Luke's best non-oneness, in-combat feats are against Caedus; who is probably only comparable to Arcann, and not getting one-shotted by full-power Abeloth. Then only defeating a portion of Abeloth's power with Krayt's aid.
He's never pulled anything like surviving a team this powerful, nor can your best wank concieve of anything remotely close to an argument for it.
Originally posted by AncientPower
When you can form coherent sentences that aren't riddled with era wank horseshit, certainly.Luke's best non-oneness, in-combat feats are against Caedus; who is probably only comparable to Arcann, and not getting one-shotted by full-power Abeloth. Then only defeating a portion of Abeloth's power with Krayt's aid.
He's never pulled anything like surviving a team this powerful, nor can your best wank concieve of anything remotely close to an argument for it.
I don't want to get into a spitting contest with the likes of you, but there is no polite way to put forth the fact that it is extremely amusing to hear this coming from a person widely known for his/her cancerous ToR/ToTJ era wanking.
That said, yeah, Luke one-shots. The team's collective power is much lesser than his, and he can effectively speedblitz anyone here.
Edit:My best wank will leave you in tears, so let's not get into that.