Bloodlusted non-jobbing Luke vs Valkorion, Dread Masters, Revan, Vaylin, and Arcann

Which doesn't negate the fact that Muur was a mere spirit who was constantly fighting his host for control throughout and was still confirmed to be more powerful than Krayt or Cade.

The claim that there's no parity between them can't be made merely due to the observations and dismissal of the fight. Not when Luke considers Krayt to be his equal on the 'throne of balance'. Certainly not when Caedus' spirit warns Luke of how dangerous the 'dark man' is even to him. The intent throughout the Apocalypse novel is to establish Krayt as a grave threat of greater danger than Caedus, and who is even a threat to Luke himself.

Even if the parity is slim, it is undeniably there and is established with purpose. Which still makes the likes of Revan a very serious threat to Luke in combat. We know this because of how massively Malak scales off of Karness Muur due to Star Forge/Star Map correlations in power.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
I don't want to get into a spitting contest with the likes of you, but there is no polite way to put forth the fact that it is extremely amusing to hear this coming from a person widely known for cancerous ToR/ToTJ era wanking.

That said, yeah, Luke one-shots. The team's collective power is much lesser than his, and he can effectively speedblitz anyone here.

I wank Anakin higher than anyone. 😂

You've provided absolutely fvck all that resembles an argument for why he does. Not that there's one to make. But please continue with your ad hoc.

lol by that logic Vestara = Ben Skywalker in potential

Krayt tried draining Luke for hours or days or whatever and it didn't work, Revan's best force feats are below Black Trilogy Luke

Anyway, and again i'm on my phone:

- Valk is too slow and a piss poor combatant
- DM's are worthless against a peak Luke
- Vaylin is a poor combatant and gets blitzed
- Arcann is sub-Caedus and gets ragdolled like Luke has done to his nephew twice
- Revan is not strong enough

What does it matter if they are together?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Krayt tried draining Luke for hours or days or whatever and it didn't work,

Krayt was draining Luke and the narrator says they fought for an indeterminately long period of time (mentioning hours or days, time blurred)

Originally posted by AncientPower
I wank Anakin higher than anyone. 😂

You've provided absolutely fvck all that resembles an argument for why he does. Not that there's one to make. But please continue with your ad hoc.

You also wank every other character in those eras higher than anyone. I wank Arca Jeth whenever the opportunity presents itself, but that doesn't mean I turn into a Vitidiot.

AP/SR, to me, you are effectively Erkan/SithMaster tier as a debater. You not only possess their quality of debating logic, but you also have their stubborn persistence. Even if I did write threads and threads( which I have done countless times), you wouldn't be convinced. I know, because I have seen you in action.

I haven't put forth an argument, because to me, the winner is obvious. Luke>Sidious(much)>Team. And neither am I going to waste my time on one. I'l leave that to people actually interested. If you noticed, I haven't bothered about you at all on KMC.

@Elm:

It said the draining "seemed to continue for days," in which that phrase is actually used in dictionaries as an example for hyperbole, and then the text suddenly went, "it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed," anyway.

There's no gauge of time whatsoever in Beyond the Shadows. Putting any sort of time-stamp on it to make Luke look impressive is nonsense, since the return can be placed and say that Krayt ****ed him up in a "breath."

More importantly, Krayt's drain had a blatant affect on Luke, so no clue where the "it didn't work" comes from.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol by that logic Vestara = Ben Skywalker in potential

Krayt tried draining Luke for hours or days or whatever and it didn't work, Revan's best force feats are below Black Trilogy Luke

Anyway, and again i'm on my phone:

- Valk is too slow and a piss poor combatant
- DM's are worthless against a peak Luke
- Vaylin is a poor combatant and gets blitzed
- Arcann is sub-Caedus and gets ragdolled like Luke has done to his nephew twice
- Revan is not strong enough

What does it matter if they are together?

What the fvck were you high on when you read that fight? 😬

Woe is you. I've been posting from a phone for three years.

Valk is slow, but he can percieve faster than nano second+. Seems legit. Oh and dominating Arcann, Vaylin and the Outlander simultaneously as they attacked from multiple directions is hardly a symbol of being poor in combat.

Why are Dread Masters, who shit on the Lost Tribe who Luke has struggled with, worthless?

Vaylin is arguably > Revan, but sure.

Arcann tanking Valkorion's Force Storm variant for minutes as it destroyed a fleet of ships, and a multi thousand feat drop after being knocked out, without any serious injury, before getting far more powerful, is easily Krayt tier; nevermind Caedus.

Revan >> Reborn Revan >> Prodigal Revan > Hindered and weakened Prodigal Revan > Darth Malak >>> Karness Muur ~ Reborn Krayt.

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Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
You also wank every other character in those eras higher than anyone. I wank Arca Jeth whenever the opportunity presents itself, but that doesn't mean I turn into a Vitidiot.

AP/SR, to me, you are effectively Erkan/SithMaster tier as a debater. You not only possess their quality of debating logic, but you also have their stubborn persistence. Even if I did write threads and threads( which I have done countless times), you wouldn't be convinced. I know, because I have seen you in action.

I haven't put forth an argument, because to me, the winner is obvious. Luke>Sidious(much)>Team. And neither am I going to waste my time on one. I'l leave that to people actually interested. If you noticed, I haven't bothered about you at all on KMC.

If not massively lowballing every era that isn't PT/OT/NJO in an effort to choke to death on Sheev's non-existent penis, makes me a TOR wanker, then you feel free to try and make yourself feel better about being another sub-Gideon.

Oh and I've been through the rounds for Shaak Ti, Jaina Solo, Ben Kenobi, Talzin, and a whole list of people that aren't TOR related.

You people and your gift for projecting is actually hilarious.

Oh and I stopped seriously debating about ten years ago, I instead take pleasure out of using the very same cancerous scaling logic of PT wankers against them and then watching them rant on about how retarded their own debating style is.

Originally posted by AncientPower
If not massively lowballing every era that isn't PT/OT/NJO in an effort to choke to death on Sheev's non-existent penis, makes me a TOR wanker, then you feel free to try and make yourself feel better about being another sub-Gideon.

Oh and I've been through the rounds for Shaak Ti, Jaina Solo, Ben Kenobi, Talzin, and a whole list of people that aren't TOR related.

You people and your gift for projecting is actually hilarious.

No, it's massively inflating and over-exaggerating the capabilities of any "Ancient" era.

Sure. Only when it comes to cross era comparisons, you have people like Caedus on Arcann's level.

I too have argued for Thon, Arca Jeth, Ood Bnar, Revan( yes)and the Jedi Exile. What's more, late 2015/early 2016 I was of the opinion that Vitiate>>>Sidious. I was a fool, but yeah.

Your existence as a debater is what's hilarious. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that I am treating our little chat as serious.

Edit: So, you are trolling. Okay then. I wonder what your actual self is like.

You and your ilk have done everything to lowball everybody from Krayt to Bane to Nihilus to Revan to the Ancient Sith and more. That you call not joining in on your mass brain death 'TOR wanking' is frankly hilarious and oh so ironic.

You all bandwagoned with Gideon's Sheev wank and did your best to mock absolutely every other era.

It's the absolute height of hypocrisy to call me a wanker for actually believing that characters from other eras can also hold their own in the PT era and even thrive.

This status quoing BS that you've signed up for is utter cancer and that is precisely what killed SW debating in the first place.

There are extremist views for every era, certainly, but deciding that the only course of action is to mock and lowball the others is even more egregious.

Now please continue with your personal justifications for what you deem to be logical.

1. I believe Krayt is among the top 6 Sith Lords of all time. Nihilus in top 5. I believe Bane can beat all Jedi in the PT era one-on-one, save 4.

Bane isn't an Ancient Sith, b/w.

I believe anybody you call a 'PT wanker' here ( me, Az, etc.) will echo these sentiments, at least roughly. This isn't lowballing.

2. I have never communicated with Gideon, nor have I ever seen him in action.

3. No. It would be absolutely fine if you did that. The thing is, you actively jump to argue against any RoTE/post RoTE era character, when faced with characters that they obviously don't stomp( from the general perspective) from other eras. Literally anybody( aside from Anakin, probably). Sometimes, you actually do argue that characters from RoTE-post who by consensus and logic, stomp the other character from the other era, actually lose.

3. Lmfao. I have seen the so called "great" era of debating from other threads, back in 2006/2007-2010/2011 etc. If this is what "killed" that sort of debating, I am all for it.

4.

It's the absolute height of hypocrisy to call me a wanker for actually believing that characters from PT era can also hold their own in other eras and even thrive.

5. You are taking this way too personally. Almost as if you have a duty to the era or something, lol.

I simply state my views as they are. As it is, as I have said before, I don't wish to argue with you, because it'll be futile anyways. Cross era arguments at least.

6. I don't need to. I have already justified it with one line.

Lol, I have never done anything of the sort. If I say that Malgus is around the tier of Dooku, that's because I have reason to believe so. You're claiming that I put the TOR era over the RotE when I've done nothing of the sort. I support TOR era characters mostly because PT wankers put them all on Plo Koon tier.

Don't presume to know why and what for I debate. If you want to see serious wank, how about you ask Az how Sidious can blitz an infinite amount of Vaders or how Sheev has grown 6.4 billion times in power. Perhaps you would like to inquire Legend about how he thinks Valkorion is Mortis tier.

Simply put, there is no amount of lowballing here that can possibly see Luke one-shotting Valkorion or Revan. Nevermind this entire team.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Bane isn't an Ancient Sith, b/w.

😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Darth Bane, the ancient Sith Lord, you are."

😉

Funny that this comes from Yoda. Bane is only a century older than him, lol.

People siding with Luke Skywalker in this case are psychotic morons.

Even an Abeloth's avatar does not stand a chance against this Strike Team.

Originally posted by AncientPower
What the fvck were you high on when you read that fight? 😬

You only sort of repeat that Krayt was sort of useful in that fight, so I suppose Meetra and Scourge have parity with Revan now or something.

Anyway it's irrelevant because Murr can only be scaled with a dying Krayt.

Woe is you. I've been posting from a phone for three years.

NOOB

Valk is slow, but he can percieve faster than nano second+. Seems legit. Oh and dominating Arcann, Vaylin and the Outlander simultaneously as they attacked from multiple directions is hardly a symbol of being poor in combat.

Thanks for reminding me actually, cause now we can scale everyone else down by their being so weak next to Valk.

Show me evidence Valk can put Luke down in the few meters he has to work with then. Disabling a few freighters? Killing Darth Marr? Luke tanked UnuThul's turbolaser bending trillions member hivemind amped TK to the point where not even a black hole could've moved him (can demonstrate literal description from laptop), successfully closed the distance with Abeloth avatars several times, can crush island sized fortresses to dust with raw Tk decades before his prime, etc. Valk has nothing on him in feats, and it gets even more one sided with powerscaling or accolades.

Why are Dread Masters, who shit on the Lost Tribe who Luke has struggled with, worthless?

lol we're going by the OP's stipulations for Luke (and in the thread title), or should we just say the DM's got taken out by random strike teams and call it even?

Their main weapon is TP, and there's no way they're TP'ing Luke so who cares about them? Plus they prob have shit reflexes and could be ragdolled given Luke ragdolls Caedus twice, and Caedus is above anyone on team 2 sans Valkorion, being at the least on Revan's tier.

Frankly, I can't think of a non-entity who ragdolled someone as powerful as Caedus like that ever before.

Vaylin is arguably > Revan, but sure.

She can't fight, just like her dad. FotJ Abeloth has far more raw power than Valk and Vaylin but she still can't easily kill Luke. They can't win close quarters even if they could beat him in a Force fight, which they can't either.

Arcann tanking Valkorion's Force Storm variant for minutes as it destroyed a fleet of ships,

Pre-NJO Luke could disable actual cruiser sized warships just with TK, Arcann tanking an unconcentrated "fleet" (read: small freighters) killer is nothing.

and a multi thousand feat drop after being knocked out, without any serious injury, before getting far more powerful, is easily Krayt tier; nevermind Caedus.

lol surviving a fall but getting injured from it is sub-AotC Anakin, who did that casually while guiding himself to a specific target without injury.

Revan >> Reborn Revan >> Prodigal Revan > Hindered and weakened Prodigal Revan > Darth Malak >>> Karness Muur ~ Reborn Krayt.

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How do you know Malak >>> Murr?

How do you know Murr ~ Reborn Krayt? Her weakened spirit was above a dying Krayt but you have no way to know who was weakened more, lmao.

Or I could say FotJ Luke > LotF Luke > NJO Luke > DE Sidious > RotJ Sidious > RotS Sidious > TPM Sidious > Plagueis > Vitiate, seems like a much more impressive chain to me.

IIRC, turbolaser cannons have melted ice moons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
People siding with Luke Skywalker in this case are clueless morons.

Not even Abeloth can defeat this Strike Team in a one-on-one encounter.

Say what you want @Azronger but your stance in this fight is absolutely ridiculous. Same goes for @The_Ellimist.