Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
IIRC, turbolaser cannons have melted ice moons.
I keep hearing about UnuThul bending Turbolasers; where is the evidence? And what kind of Starship?
Lucien Draay while wearing Ludo Kressh's guantlets endured massive firepower from a Starship by the way:
And before you assume that those gauntlets might have done the heavy-lifting, think again.
Lucien Dray endured a Lightning blast from Haazen who was wearing Ludo Kressh's guantlets at the time.
Lucien Draay is MID-TIER per TOR standards.
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UnuThul is Darth Vader level at most.
I mean come on Valk's best combat feat is disabling some tiny ships while Luke decades before his prime was musing about his ability to destroy cruisers and actually crushing Vader's fortress, etc.
If you don't think feat wars are an accurate methodology then powerscaling and narrative puts peak Luke >> DE Palpatine.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I mean come on Valk's best combat feat is disabling some tiny ships while Luke decades before his prime was musing about his ability to destroy cruisers and actually crushing Vader's fortress, etc.If you don't think feat wars are an accurate methodology then powerscaling and narrative puts peak Luke >> DE Palpatine.
Those were military-grade Starships and some of them were huge. You need to get your eyes examined.
Another thing is that Valkorion was not even aiming at the Starships; his FLS expanded to such a level that its bolts struck some Starships mid-flight, causing them all to crash and burn.
Now, show me a demonstration of FLS that has caused that much death and destruction in a fight.
In-fact, Arcann mused that Valkorion was not operating at his peak capacity at the time.
That wouldn't make Luke's top 10 feats and you guys lean on it in like every Valk debate, which is kind of telling.
Luke has better feats because crushing cruisers and cloud scraping fortresses beats the aforementioned and literally having an infinite resistance move to TK is better than blocking the aforementioned. I'm using feats because by narrative Luke obviously wins.
How about this: come up with the three best feats for Valkorion, and we can talk.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That wouldn't make Luke's top 10 feats and you guys lean on it in like every Valk debate, which is kind of telling.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Luke has better feats because crushing cruisers and cloud scraping fortresses beats the aforementioned and literally having an infinite resistance move to TK is better than blocking the aforementioned. I'm using feats because by narrative Luke obviously wins.How about this: come up with the three best feats for Valkorion, and we can talk.
When has Luke Skywalker crushed a cruiser?
That fortress was located on the mountain top. It is a good feat but even a MID-TIER TOR era character has collapsed two buildings in a fight.
Valkorion has destroyed Ziost; his actualized power is greater than all barring The Ones. A showing of this scale and intensity required 8000 Sith Lords to pull off centuries earlier.
Show me anything from Luke Skywalker that matches Ziost.
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Disabling ships isn't even that big of a deal. All you have to do is fry the controls in the ship.
Look at this video:
The Sith Inquisitor attempted to disable that Starship with a stream of Force lightning, to no avail. His Force Lightning was sufficient to knock out Darth Malgus for a while when it was directed towards him.
Lol I'm saying Luke's TK >> Valk's FL, so who cares about the latter?
I can pull it up on my laptop later but he muses that he could rip the hulls off cruisers and destroy their cannons if he wanted to but won't cause light side and all. It was in like Shadows of the Empire or somewhere.
The fortress had its own hanger bay and touched the beach, lol. And Luke crushed it to dust after lifting all of it up at once.
Oh puh-lease about Ziost. He needed a nexus, prep time, the power of the planetary population, etc. Also talk about apples and oranges because obviously Luke isn't going to do Ziost.
Luke is not only more powerful but he's a really good close quarters combatant - so Valk can't just be more powerful, he has to be so dominating Luke never gets close to him. Yet your best combat or non-sketchy feat for him is disabling some ships.