Palpatine's Bending Lightsaber Feat - (POLL)

Originally posted by Petrus
[B]If you watch attentively, at the very end of the gif, you can see the saber bend to the right. I guess it's subjective, but to me there's no doubt.

I've watched it many times at 25% speed full screen. You can clearly see the hilt jiggling around in his hand. Recall also that the way they create the lightsaber effect is to use a thin plastic rod then put the glow in afterwards. If the rod was moving around in the manner you see they'd have to move the effect with it and its possible for them to be sloppy in doing it. It really isn't a solid "feat" either way.

Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah no, he didn't. Valkorion has what to do with this, exactly? I never said Valkorion's lightning is as impressive as Sidious'.

EDIT - nice pun, btw. 👆

I just wanted to use that pun.

Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah no, he didn't. Valkorion has what to do with this, exactly? I never said Valkorion's lightning is as impressive as Sidious'.

EDIT - nice pun, btw. 👆

I am currently awaiting your response.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've watched it many times at 25% speed full screen. You can clearly see the hilt jiggling around in his hand. Recall also that the way they create the lightsaber effect is to use a thin plastic rod then put the glow in afterwards. If the rod was moving around in the manner you see they'd have to move the effect with it and its possible for them to be sloppy in doing it. It really isn't a solid "feat" either way.

I could be convinced that it was simply an unintended side-effect, tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Did you intentional post a video disproving your claim? In the novel the blade was bending so close to him that he could smell it. Here, the blade in no way shape or form starts arcing towards him. Thus the excerpt of the novel is invalid. Further, the "weird" "bending" we kind of see (not really) is going away from him not towards him. In the movie, he fights this off and starts pushing his blade back towards Palps... not it was coming at him and he was doing everything in his power to hold it off. It was the opposite. Mace was fighting through it and pushing it closer to palps, and then we see the disfiguring of him. So no, that never happened, and thus the feat was not impressive.

It clearly wasn't intended to be showing Palpatines lightning pushing Windu's blade back since it doesn't, its moving towards him if anything. So if it was intended, whats the intention? It's obviously not that, so it must just be sloppy effects.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The point is he effected his lightsaber in both sources.

Agree with Neph

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You raised the argument that Sidious' lightning is/was inferior to Nyriss because it didn't ash Windu. To which I countered that by that logic Nyriss lightning also > Valkorion's. Despite him being "infinitely greater than her" 300 years before his prime.

I am currently awaiting your response.

That wasn't my argument. Nyriss was in a dark side nexus, and she's clearly an inferior opponent than Windu. I know this.

All I'm saying is, for it to be the greatest lightning feat ever, it should at least do more instant damage to Windu, especially if someone like Nyriss managed to turn herself into ash, and we all know she's inferior to Sidious. I doubt Nyriss's Force defenses are so, so far below Windu's that it becomes equivalent.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Originally posted by Petrus
That wasn't my argument. Nyriss was in a dark side nexus, and she's clearly an inferior opponent than Windu. I know this.

All I'm saying is, for it to be the greatest lightning feat ever, it should at least do more instant damage to Windu, especially if someone like Nyriss managed to turn herself into ash, and we all know she's inferior to Sidious. I doubt Nyriss's Force defenses are so, so far below Windu's that it becomes equivalent.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And my point is that by your logic, Valkorion should have ashed Marr.

Well yeah, maybe he should've. So, it's inconsistent. But Valkorion wasn't performing the best lightning feat ever while attempting to kill Marr.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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See my response above.

And show me examples of Force-users downing scores of military-grade starships mid-flight with mere residual emissions of their FLS like that, while targeting someone else.

So what if Vindican managed to hurt Malgus? Mighella managed to hurt Darth Maul, another being of extreme pain tolerance. That doesn't mean either of them are powerful. Force lightning is going to hurt regardless of its strength.

So the only thing I got from your post is that Valkorion's FLS is more potent than that of "a notable Sith Inquisitor", and "one of the better Nightsisters". As I said, some Malak-tier shit, lmao.

Originally posted by Petrus

Maybe we've not seen this replicated, but it's honestly not the best feat by a mile. It's impressive, just not extremely impressive. I think turning someone instantly into a charred husk or into ashes is far more impressive than this.

Originally posted by Azronger

I don't think you fully understand the scope and magnitude of what bending a lightsaber means. Despite being the victim of constant mockery here on KMC, Darth Bane does actually have very potent Force lightning, to the point where he can ash humans. Despite this, Zannah was able to repel his lightning with her lightsaber no problem. The Starkiller clone and Darth Krayt have even more powerful lightning, yet the lightsaber withstood the energy no problem. Yet when Palpatine struck with lightning at Windu's blade, its energy absorbtion capabilities were compeletly and utterly overwhelmed to the point where the blade became distorted. There is not a single other being in the mythos who has accomplished this.

Originally posted by Petrus
Well yeah, maybe he should've. So, it's inconsistent. But Valkorion wasn't performing the best lightning feat ever while attempting to kill Marr.

It's poor evidence, in a word. But I'll address your point that an armless Windu fared better than one might expect regardless. My understanding of that scene tbh is that Sidious simply wasn't going all out, and there was really nothing stopping him blowing Windu out of the window straight up and getting it over with. Yes he's screaming 'UNLIMITED POWAH' because that's what he has at his fingertips, but that doesn't preclude him drawing out the suffering of his victim as he is known to do.

Should be noted in the novel however, that Windu dies instantly.

And Neph, I'm pretty sure that the PT movies employed rigid wooden sticks, not bendy plastics ones.

Still waiting on the clip from ROTS that shows the blade ARCING BACK towards Mace as the novel explicitly describes, along with flowery adjectives on what it's like to have a blade arcing towards your face. Either provide a video showing this, or the language in the novel concerning this is invalid.

Originally posted by Petrus
Well yeah, maybe he should've.

Nah, Nyriss shouldn't have.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting on the clip from ROTS that shows the blade ARCING BACK towards Mace as the novel explicitly describes, along with flowery adjectives on what it's like to have a blade arcing towards your face. Either provide a video showing this, or the language in the novel concerning this is invalid.

In Canon the lightsaber warps and spasms erratically.

Neither one invalidates the other, as has already been discussed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And its the fact its inconsistent is what matters here, as it begs the question whether Nyriss was ashed under legitimate circumstances, or if Drew is just a hack who writes shit that doesn't make sense.

It's pretty clear that Drew is shit, but we can't simply dismiss what we read in his books because of this.

It's poor evidence, in a word. But I'll address your point that an armless Windu fared better than one might expect regardless. My understanding of that scene tbh is that Sidious simply wasn't going all out, and there was really nothing stopping him blowing Windu out of the window straight up and getting it over with. Yes he's screaming 'UNLIMITED POWAH' because that's what he has at his fingertips, but that doesn't preclude him drawing out the suffering of his victim as he is known to do.

Do you think that for some reason, Sidious decreased his lightning's power when electrocuting Windu in comparison to when his lightning seemingly bent the saber and was being deflected back to him? Genuine question.

Should be noted in the novel however, that Windu dies instantly.

The showings are significantly different, so much so that I don't think it's possible to relate the two.