Nah. He also used rituals, in conjunction with a a being already on his tier in power, and focused on a tear in the Force already created by someone that came before him.
Again, it isn't combat applicable, so who cares? Vitiate ritual was on a much greater scale so it required much greater preparation.
Where in the text is it said that P&S "focused on a tear in the Force" created by Tenebrous's master?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Via ritual, nexus, prep, and the collected energy generated from a galactic war.Plagueis unbalanced the Force on a universal level just by meditating.
Not to mention Vitiate had to absorb the energies of thousands of Sith Lords, which "vastly increased his capabilities" as a Force user.
Originally posted by Sinious
There is a vision of Wrath II and a 300 year-long prophecy that supports it. Why are people taking Wrath I's visions showing millions of possible different scenarios so seriously, when Wrath II's show a sole and clear vision that reveals what will happen if Vitiate is not stopped?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Without contexts it doesn't actually prove anything, lel.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Then which combat feats put Valk above Plagueis?
Honestly, playing the feat game isn't going to help Plagueis' case at all, lmao. Revan has more impressive combat usable Force feats than Plagueis, and he is far below pre-Valkorion Vitiate.
Even Vader's Force feats are more impressive in actual combat.
@Beni/Temp: Ah, my mistake then.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Then which combat feats put Valk above Plagueis?
I dunno, all of them? Beating Revan, wiped out Ziost, controlling a planetary population, stomping a strike team, wiping out an army in a single attack, his Spire feat, blah blah he'd whoop Plagueis.
Like Solo said, feat wars is not the route you want to go down. Revan is comparable and perhaps superior to Plagueis and he's far inferior to Valkorion. Try a different tact.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I dunno, all of them? Beating Revan, wiped out Ziost, controlling a planetary population, stomping a strike team, wiping out an army in a single attack, his Spire feat, blah blah he'd whoop Plagueis.Like Solo said, feat wars is not the route you want to go down. Revan is comparable and perhaps superior to Plagueis and he's far inferior to Valkorion. Try a different tact.
Lol, you were just complaining about Plagueis's feats not being applicable, and then you bring up Ziost?
Only "beating Revan" is directly relevant to one vs. one fighting, and that was done on a dark side nexus. But Plagueis has a better implicit combat feat anyway, in that he intimidates Palpatine, and it's more plausible than not that his growth to RotS isn't monstrous. Plus he'd already essentially been so fast that Maul could barely perceive or in any manner react to him, while Vitiate gets blindsided by Meetra's lightsaber throw.
As for the idea that Revan has better combat feats than Plagueis, where do we see Revan vaporizing squads of soldiers with telekinesis, or deflecting fire from two hundred droids at the same time? We don't, so the idea that Vitiate beating Revan on a dark side nexus makes Valkorion better than Plagueis is entirely arbitrary.
Now the other way we can look at things besides the blurb is to use more general feats and power scaling as proxies for combat ability. We know that Plagueis is considered the most powerful sith of all time, your purely personal desire to not use publisher's blurbs, despite their having creative and legal licensing from the creators of Star Wars, aside, which puts him above Vitiate at the very least. His ability to unbalance the Force through meditation and force the creation of the Chosen One is crucial because it begs the question of why couldn't Valkorion do this despite having thousands of years to do so. The implied answer is that Valkorion wasn't powerful enough to. Because note that Plagueis and Sidious were not using some sort of "trick" to do this - they were literally wrestling with the Force via sheer willpower. That's a demonstration of raw power, and raw power correlates well with combat ability.
We also know, as mentioned previously, that Sidious is wary of Plagueis at this time. And it's unlikely that there's a massive gap between Palpatine in TPM and RotS; the precedent or reasoning behind that would be slight given that he's already in his fifties and would be spending most of his time as Chancellor; you could say that his power surge following Plagueis's death was massive, but that would require you to concede that EoTPM Sidious ~ RotS Sidious, which you clearly aren't willing to do. And Sidious by RotS has some pretty massive feats that dwarf Valkorion's.
So, no matter which way you slice it, Plagueis wins, and Vitiate dies:
1. Plagueis posed a sufficient threat to the Force for the Chosen One to arise; Valkorion did not.
2. Plagueis is explicitly more powerful than Vitiate by a blurb with legal authority within the Star Wars brand. This especially matters given that it's possible that Valkorion really is a sith and this whole thing is just an act, given the codex entry on him.
3. Plagueis's combat feats are clearly greater than Revan's, seeing as how he can vaporize squads of soldiers with telekinesis while injured, so Valkorion's best combat feat is null.
4. Even if they were close in raw power, Plagueis is a far superior combatant up close, so Valkorion has to rely on overwhelming his defenses outright, which is incredibly difficult to do without having a huge power gap, or he's f*cked. EDIT: oops, this is Force only, but this matters to an all-out fight anyway; in either case, Plagueis is still more agile, and has superior speed feats, which matter here as well.