Originally posted by Surtur
I suppose it's not as long as you think we also live in a "any kind of violent crime" culture.Let me put this another way: women have gotten either no punishment or very lenient punishments for lying about rape. Even when their lies resulted in the men spending time in prison.
Do we live in a "lie about rape" culture too?
One wrong does not excuse another.
I for one think that's crap and I do think people who falsely accuse another of rape should be punished, but also, lying about being raped is less serious than actually committing a rape if we're leaving emotions out of it.
But yeah, back to the Turner case, that was classic "rape culture", college guy rapes an unconcious college girl and gets little more than a slap-on-the-wrist because some people were worried it would ruin his college experience and life.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It is true that you cannot run for president as a republican without being accused of rape, racism, or being a nazi.
Oh shit I'm glad you mentioned nazi's. We live in a nazi culture too then. Operation Paperclip and all that jazz. This is fun, America really IS a boiling pot of diversity.
Originally posted by Robtard
One wrong does not excuse another.I for one thinks that's crap and I do think people who falsely accuse another of rape should be punished, but also, lying about being raped is less serious than actually committing a rape if we're leaving emotions out of it.
I disagree really. We can leave emotions out of it, spending years in prison..for one. Having a reputation that is forever ruined, for another. I guarantee you even some of these men who have been cleared STILL have that stigma.
I'm also not trying to excuse anything. I'm saying if the logic being used is "this person more or less got away with a crime so it proves a rape culture" we apply that to everything. So our culture is a rape culture, murder culture, pedophilia culture, drunk driving culture, etc.
But yeah, back to the Turner case, that was classic "rape culture", college guy rapes a passed out college girl and gets little more than a slap-on-the-wrist because some people were worried it would ruin his college experience and life.
Okay so the "some people" worried about his college experience seemed to be his dad lol. The judge who gave him that sentence went to the same school, did he not? So is this an example of rape culture or an example of elitist douches doing whatever the f*ck they want culture?
A guy got a lenient sentence for rape and a majority of the country was in an up roar about it. I didn't notice the same uproar for the men whose lives were ruined over false accusations, did you? I didn't see the same uproar for the kid who got away with killing people while drunk. I don't see the same uproar over the fact women tend to get far more lenient sentences for violent crimes than men do.
So if the Brock thing is proof towards a rape culture, well what does everything I said say about our culture then? What is that proof towards? Besides the hypocrisy of the country.
Originally posted by Surtur
I disagree really. We can leave emotions out of it, spending years in prison..for one. Having a reputation that is forever ruined, for another. I guarantee you even some of these men who have been cleared STILL have that stigma.I'm also not trying to excuse anything. I'm saying if the logic being used is "this person more or less got away with a crime so it proves a rape culture" we apply that to everything. So our culture is a rape culture, murder culture, pedophilia culture, drunk driving culture, etc.
Okay so the "some people" worried about his college experience seemed to be his dad lol. The judge who gave him that sentence went to the same school, did he not? So is this an example of rape culture or an example of elitist douches doing whatever the f*ck they want culture?
A guy got a lenient sentence for rape and a majority of the country was in an up roar about it. I didn't notice the same uproar for the men whose lives were ruined over false accusations, did you? I didn't see the same uproar for the kid who got away with killing people. I don't see the same uproar over the fact women tend to get far more lenient sentences for violent crimes than men do.
So if the Brock thing is proof towards a rape culture, well what does everything I said say about our culture then? What is that proof towards?
Seems like you're saying words are worse than actions now?
Well no, don't think we try to excuse away and/or victim blame when it comes to murder, child molestation, drunk driving etc like we do with women being raped. At least not in the same degree.
Why do they have to be exclusive or each other? Couldn't it be a combo or all?
You're going to have to give specific examples. As far as "blowing up" though, that's the social media society we live in today. End of the day, Turner still got a wrist-slap cos "boo-hoo, poor guy, think about his life", despite all the FB and Twitter rage.
You know what, never mind. Reading that, this is a futile argument.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seems like you're saying words are worse than actions now?Well no, don't think we try to excuse away and/or victim blame when it comes to murder, child molestation, drunk driving etc like we do with women being raped. At least not in the same degree.
Why do they have to be exclusive or each other? Couldn't it be a combo or all?
You're going to have to give specific examples. As far as "blowing up" though, that's the social media society we live in today. End of the day, Turner still got a wrist-slap cos "boo-hoo, poor guy, think about his life", despite all the FB and Twitter rage.
You know what, never mind. Reading that, this is a futile argument.
You're shifting the argument. You said a rapist getting a lenient sentence was proof of rape culture. You did not say "people blaming victims means rape culture".
Thus it's simple: we live in a lie about rape culture, a drunk driving culture, a murder culture, and a molestation culture.
Also let's not be naive: words CAN be damaging when they f*ck your life up, when they land you years in prison for no reason. We aren't talking about mere hurt feelings.
You also can't just shrug off the outrage shown because part of the shit the rape culture people spout is how people are indifferent.
So in reality this decision came down to a single man, the judge, who went to the same school as Brock did. The people saying "don't let this ruin his life" were mostly his own family.
Originally posted by Its2016
Bill gave Hill a job in the white house, so why not vice versa? He was gonna improve our obamaconomy as well. He is not your wife. Hes possibly first lady.
So your point is what? That he will be the first Gentleman? Someone who we won't vote for? Someone who won't be president and won't have prsidental power? Is that your point?
Originally posted by Its2016
What is a first lady?
Female spouse of the PotUS.
Originally posted by Its2016
What is a marriage?
"...the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman (or, in some jurisdictions, two people of the same sex) as partners in a relationship."
Originally posted by Its2016
Are you mentally ill?
No. Pretty fine upstairs. You're still not making an argument for why Bill Clinton's supposed sexual bad things has any relevance to Hillary's candidacy. How does it bring Hillary down? And if Hillary tries to appoint him to a cabinet position, he still has to be approved by congress. If or when that happens, THEN you can start using Bill against Hillary like that, right? But could not any democratic president be "risky" in doing that? Why didn't Obama appoint Bill to a cabinet position?
Simple: Bill doesn't want that stuff anymore. He could easily have it...it wouldn't take much effort at all.
Originally posted by Its2016
How about this, do you want a rapist as first lady incharge of important white house stuff? Because thats a vote for Hillary. Idiot.
So you're getting angry because I'm pointing out how retarded it is to try and use attacks against Bill Clinton as attacks against Hillary Clinton? Why does this make you so mad? Is it because my point is rather obvious and you have not actually thought about it until reading my point?
I just don't understand why me pointing this out is causing you to spew so much caustic vitriol.
Re: Re: How is Bill Clinton's Sexual History Relevant to Hillary Clinton's Candidacy?
Originally posted by Surtur
I would think just being the spouse of the president gives one some clout. Now keep in mind 99.9% of the time the spouses haven't been politicians with DECADES of experience. To think she won't rely on Bill more than a president would usually rely on a spouse would be wrong IMO.
But so what? Why does it matter that she will seek his advice? Another question would be, why does Clinton's sexual proclivities have anything to do with Hillary possibly seeking his advice?
Are you imagining a scenario like this:
Hillary: How should I handle Angela Merkel's (Germa Prime Minister) opposition to our trade deal with the EU?
Bill: Grab her by the pussssaaaay! Smack dat mound with gusto! Then motorboat dem floppers! Now that I think about it, I bet she has dinner-plate nipples. hmm Honey, are you gonna do anything about this chub?
And if Bill gave advice like that, do you honestly think she'd listen or if ANYONE in Hillary's camp would allow her to listen to advice like that?
Originally posted by Surtur
So if Trumps sexual history makes him not a good fit for the presidency, I don't want someone with potentially a similar history having a lot of influence either.
So...about that influence...makes little sense why you would bar Hillary because of Bill's wiener adventures.
I need another reason. Something that actually makes sense.
Originally posted by Surtur
At this point a rapist and a rape enabler both would belong in that basket of deplorables.
See.....this is the argument I think is much better.
"Hillary enables sexual predatory behavior. She turns a blind eye to deplorable sexual behaviors and potentially enables it. That's the type of character we don't need in a PotUS. We need a PotUS that is tough on crime, especially our state enemies such as ISIS."
Look, I'm a better speaker/debater than Trump. Look how amazing my argument was against Hillary, vis-a-vis sexual-Bill, while still not getting nasty about it?
Holy fuuuuu**, Trump is so damn shitty at using his talking points. That's probably what frustrates me the most while watching Trump speak. He's just so damn childish and shitty at debating.