You ask why does it matter if she will seek Bill's advice, I would ask why Trump saying vulgar things about females means he shouldn't be president?
Not that you specifically said that, but it's been a major focus of the MSM.
If it was up to me I'd rather no discussion of sexual history at all, but they won't do that. As long as they feel the need to bring it up for Trump I feel it's only fair to point out the shit the opposition is doing.
Originally posted by Robtard
...but also, lying about being raped is less serious than actually committing a rape if we're leaving emotions out of it.
That depends on who you talk to. Carrying the stigma of being a rapist when you aren't a rapist is far worse than being raped if that stigma sticks. It is even worse if you get convicted and go to prison and get raped multiple times while in prison.
The reason you hold an opinion that you do is you are not exposed to these shitty situations nor have you ever talked to a man who was falsely accused of rape and what it did to him.
Falsely accusing someone of rape is a horrible thing to do and (and this can be shocking to you so please don't have a negative reaction to it) it can actually be far far worse than actually being raped. Just depends on the situation. More often than not, a false accusation in rape results in a very horribly shitty situation for the accused and it the toll takes to get over these accusations while dealing with the damage these false accusations cost. Loss of friends, relationships, family, employment, and education? Yup, all of those happen.
As far as how steep a penalty should be for a false accusation of rape? I don't know...I haven't been convinced yet of a good argument. But there should definitely be a penalty of some sort of false accusations.
Originally posted by Surtur
You ask why does it matter if she will seek Bill's advice, I would ask why Trump saying vulgar things about females means he shouldn't be president?
This is an amazing question. A question I hoped so hard someone would ask.
Because Trump is a presidential candidate. And he would represent the US. And diplomacy are one of the most important attributes of a president. Being "presidential", as it were. No one wants a sexual scumbag in their negotiations. No one wants that reputation going into a deal. That damages the US's reputation when undertaking diplomatic relations.
But, you see...that's the president, not the spouse. The spouse isn't the president. Just the same as my job: I shouldn't be penalized for my promotions or hirings at employers because my spouse did shitty things.
Originally posted by Surtur
Not that you specifically said that, but it's been a major focus of the MSM.If it was up to me I'd rather no discussion of sexual history at all, but they won't do that. As long as they feel the need to bring it up for Trump I feel it's only fair to point out the shit the opposition is doing.
But see, I don't view that as fair at all. Hillary didn't do those things. It is a red herring, at best, and just plain shitty debating/campaigning at worst. It is lame and yawn worthy to try to pin stuff on Hillary that she didn't do. Since there is a huge list of things that we COULD pin on her that are bad, why use lame and stupid tactics against her?
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is an amazing question. A question I hoped so hard someone would ask.Because Trump is a presidential candidate. And he would represent the US. And diplomacy are one of the most important attributes of a president. Being "presidential", as it were. No one wants a sexual scumbag in their negotiations. No one wants that reputation going into a deal. That damages the US's reputation when undertaking diplomatic relations.
But, you see...that's the president, not the spouse. The spouse isn't the president. Just the same as my job: I shouldn't be penalized for my promotions or hirings at employers because my spouse did shitty things.
But see, I don't view that as fair at all. Hillary didn't do those things. It is a red herring, at best, and just plain shitty debating/campaigning at worst. It is lame and yawn worthy to try to pin stuff on Hillary that she didn't do. Since there is a huge list of things that we COULD pin on her that are bad, why use lame and stupid tactics against her?
Trumps a presidential candidate and Bill Clinton is a former president who will once again be in a position of significant power.
It's either a big deal for anyone in power or it's not. There should be no "it's not as bad for one politician as it is for another".
If Bill is a rapist, Hilary helped cover it up. That's not even debatable, if Bill is a legit rapist she helped cover it up and attacked the victims and tried to silence them. This is the same woman who tells us women have the right to be believed.
So that is why this matters, there is no way in hell this chick could be 100% oblivious to all this.
Originally posted by Surtur
Trumps a presidential candidate and Bill Clinton is a former president who will once again be in a position of significant power.
You mean insignificant power?
And as to your claim about significant power, I've already posted about that:
"And if Hillary tries to appoint him to a cabinet position, he still has to be approved by congress. If or when that happens, THEN you can start using Bill against Hillary like that, right? But could not any democratic president be "risky" in doing that? Why didn't Obama appoint Bill to a cabinet position?
Simple: Bill doesn't want that stuff anymore. He could easily have it...it wouldn't take much effort at all."
Originally posted by Surtur
It's either a big deal for anyone in power or it's not. There should be no "it's not as bad for one politician as it is for another".
Incorrect: it's bad for actual candidates who will be at the actual polls and who will be in the actual political positions.
Originally posted by Surtur
If Bill is a rapist, Hilary helped cover it up. That's not even debatable, if Bill is a legit rapist she helped cover it up and attacked the victims and tried to silence them. This is the same woman who tells us women have the right to be believed.
If. That's the problem. And then the burden of proof is on the haters to prove that Hillary covered it up or was at least aware of it.
Well yes if, but for this discussion we're assuming both Trump and Bill Clinton are guilty.
So under that guise, how is H-Dog not just as bad? For enabling her rapist husband? For staying with him while trying to act like she supporters females?
Hell if her husband was a rapist, but a political nobody it would still be messed up, but he's far from that, so it makes it worse.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Which is really hard to do when the legal system won't even allow investigations because ...POLITICS TRUMPS ALL !!! [/B]
Did you hear that Michelle Obama was shaken to the core by Trumps words about women?
Such a classy lady, and someone who would never invite rappers to the White House either. They are always calling women b*tches and hoes and all that stuff, so she'd never do that or hold a rapper up as a role model.
Originally posted by Surtur
Did you hear that Michelle Obama was shaken to the core by Trumps words about women?Such a classy lady, and someone who would never invite rappers to the White House either. They are always calling women b*tches and hoes and all that stuff, so she'd never do that or hold a rapper up as a role model.
That goes back to the "Its Ok for US but not for YOU" syndrom.
Originally posted by dadudemonSupposedly Hillary had a heavy hand in silencing Bill's "victims". It's all about who you believe now. I don't know of a smoking gun but these victims have been coming out for nearly 2 decades.
Why is the supposed sexual assaults/rapes/affairs that Bill Clinton had relevant to Hillary Clinton's candidacy?Hillary Clinton is running for president, not Bill Clinton. Bill can't be the president ever again.
I see tons of arguments, even from Trump himself, about Bill Clinton's sexual exploits as though Bill's mistakes disqualify Hillary from being president.
Why?
Originally posted by Surtur
Well yes if, but for this discussion we're assuming both Trump and Bill Clinton are guilty.
What? No we are not assuming that. We are assuming reality and reality is it is just accusations and Bill has not been convicted of anything. It's just a reputation.
Originally posted by Surtur
So under that guise, how is H-Dog not just as bad?
Since I'm not playing that game, it doesn't matter. I prefer to stick with reality, not hypotheticals. I'm buttmad over the lame red herring arguments being thrown at Hillary for stuff that Bill supposedly did. Let's stick with that (which is the OP and reality).
Originally posted by Surtur
For enabling her rapist husband? For staying with him while trying to act like she supporters females?
Again, as I've argued to XYZ, Hillary sticking to her wedding vows is hardly a bad character trait. It is an argument for why we should support Hillary, not against her. It is just an argument we should all avoid.
The argument boils down to, "Hillary sucks because she took her wedding vows seriously and will not abandon her husband no matter how bad the "or worse" part of the relationship gets. That stupid loyal b*tch. How dare she!
Originally posted by Surtur
Hell if her husband was a rapist, but a political nobody it would still be messed up, but he's far from that, so it makes it worse.
But how? You and others keep saying how horrible it is but it really isn't. It's just not bad at all. It is a red herring and desperate character assassination. It is resoundingly pathetic. There are far better things to get mad at Hillary over other than shit she never did.
Originally posted by Surtur
Did you hear that Michelle Obama was shaken to the core by Trumps words about women?Such a classy lady, and someone who would never invite rappers to the White House either. They are always calling women b*tches and hoes and all that stuff, so she'd never do that or hold a rapper up as a role model.
Oh man, this. Ugh...it's painful how ridiculously hypocritical that is.
Mrs. Obama: "Oh my gosh. That Trump fella hurt my feelings and I am so so hurt by his words towards women."
http://time.com/4296265/dj-khaled-obama-white-house-criminal-justice-reform/
Originally posted by Badabing
Supposedly Hillary had a heavy hand in silencing Bill's "victims". It's all about who you believe now. I don't know of a smoking gun but these victims have been coming out for nearly 2 decades.
See, this is the line of arguments that people should be using. Not, "Hillary is bad because Bill is bad."
To Surtur's credit, he's been the only one to make decent arguments for this on the internet (reddit is a cesspool of idiocy).
Originally posted by dadudemon
What? No we are not assuming that. We are assuming reality and reality is it is just accusations and Bill has not been convicted of anything. It's just a reputation.
I was assuming that. Not that I truly assume they are both rapists. I figured this was a hypothetical about which was worse if both Bill and Donny were guilty.
Since I'm not playing that game, it doesn't matter. I prefer to stick with reality, not hypotheticals. I'm buttmad over the lame red herring arguments being thrown at Hillary for stuff that Bill supposedly did. Let's stick with that (which is the OP and reality).
But the OP asks why it's relevant. I'm telling you it's because they make Trumps shit relevant, who has never been convicted of shit either.
IF we were to assume both are guilty, I'm saying they are just as bad. Maybe that's not the narrative you were taking, but that is the narrative I have been.
Again, as I've argued to XYZ, Hillary sticking to her wedding vows is hardly a bad character trait. It is an argument for why we should support Hillary, not against her. It is just an argument we should all avoid.
No dude, it's totally bad if she stayed with a guy she knew was a rapist. Since you weren't aware I was talking about a hypothetical "they are both guilty" scenario I understand why you'd say this.
The argument boils down to, "Hillary sucks because she took her wedding vows seriously and will not abandon her husband no matter how bad the "or worse" part of the relationship gets. That stupid loyal b*tch. How dare she!
I admit it is silly if we were saying she didn't know if he was guilty and stuck by him. But again, I was coming at this from a POV of "which would be worse if both were guilty".
But how? You and others keep saying how horrible it is but it really isn't. It's just not bad at all. It is a red herring and desperate character assassination. It is resoundingly pathetic. There are far better things to get mad at Hillary over other than shit she never did.
But again: under the assumption they both are guilty(I am not saying they are, but that is what I was discussing) then this chick did do shit. She forgave a rapist and tried to discredit his victims.
Wouldn't it be disturbing though if any woman stayed married to a rapist using the excuse of "well my wedding vows.." ? Since wait wouldn't he have shattered those vows by raping women and cheating?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh man, this. Ugh...it's painful how ridiculously hypocritical that is.Mrs. Obama: "Oh my gosh. That Trump fella hurt my feelings and I am so so hurt by his words towards women."
http://time.com/4296265/dj-khaled-obama-white-house-criminal-justice-reform/
LOL! The funny thing is..I was actually referring to Jay-Z, I didn't know they'd invited other rappers too. That makes it even more hilarious.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Clinton is doomed after the Weiner sext scandal. More emails will be exposed.
I hope so, but I'm not going to hold my breath for this. Even if it did show something that was a big deal, would people even care? Notice nobody really seems to care that much about their shady dealings when it came to starting riots at rallies. Nor do they care that a convicted felon visited the White House on over 100 occasions.
Compare that to how people reacted when they thought Trump hadn't rejected David Duke.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh man, this. Ugh...it's painful how ridiculously hypocritical that is.Mrs. Obama: "Oh my gosh. That Trump fella hurt my feelings and I am so so hurt by his words towards women."
http://time.com/4296265/dj-khaled-obama-white-house-criminal-justice-reform/