Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Nah
Well he was primarily focused on getting the thermal detonator as far away from Allana as possible, and that's when Aurra attacked him.
Then she had him in a position where he couldn't turn around or else he'd get his head skewered and Sing proceeded to kick him.
Then later, when he hesitated and dropped his guard, she attacked him yet again and still failed to do anything of note.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Wat?
Yeah, she was angered as he entered her mind, IIRC.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lmao.
He would've killed Aurra with an easy blast of lightning if not for Allana. It's pretty decisive holding back when you have the potential to one-shot someone and then not do it.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well he was primarily focused on getting the thermal detonator as far away from Allana as possible, and that's when Aurra attacked him.Then she had him in a position where he couldn't turn around or else he'd get his head skewered and Sing proceeded to kick him.
Then later, when he hesitated and dropped his guard, she attacked him yet again and still failed to do anything of note.
Clever use of environment, not cheapshot. Not my problem that Caedus is a dumb f-uck.
Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, she was angered as he entered her mind, IIRC.
Originally posted by MythLord
He would've killed Aurra with an easy blast of lightning if not for Allana. It's pretty decisive holding back when you have the potential to one-shot someone and then not do it.
LMAO. So Lightning is the only way to beat someone? How about TK? I find it hard to believe that if Caedus couldn't subdue Aurra with TK, then Lightning would've worked.
No amount of sugarcoating can save Caedus from getting humiliated by a sub-Aayla phag.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Clever use of environment, not cheapshot. Not my problem that Caedus is a dumb f-uck.
She wasn't even using the environment, she was catching Jacen off-guard because he'd rather his daughter live than waste time on a pale-ass nut job.
By your own logic, Caedus pinning Luke to a wall is "clever use of the environment".
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
LMAO. So Lightning is the only way to beat someone? How about TK? I find it hard to believe that if Caedus couldn't subdue Aurra with TK, then Lightning would've worked.No amount of sugarcoating can save Caedus from getting humiliated by a sub-Aayla phag.
I mean, just because Jacen's one leeway Force Push failed doesn't mean an all-out telekinetic ragdoll wouldn't. He simply channelled his pain in a manner of a Dark Sider so it makes sense he'd use a Dark Side power.
He wasn't humiliated and by the time she fought him, Aurra wasn't a sub-Aayla phag.
Originally posted by MythLord
The Publisher's Summary of Legacy of the Force: Betrayal have Luke dreaming of Jacen as a being he likened to Darth Vader
And you do realise this is Luke having a Force vision into the future, of a Caedus in the Future?
Then publisher summaries for some of the other sources(like Tempest, Exile, Fury) note Jacen's growing more powerful by the day. And the series of novels takes place over the course of a year and a half.
Ok, so what does this have to do with the vision Luke had in betrayal, which isn't the same as living Jacen in the present. Bottom line - your chain of power growth doesn't have a beginning, making the rest of it utterly irrelevant.
Anakin Skywalker, someone who's potential is passed down to Jacen, in less time has grown by a "vast" amount, so it's not hard to see Jacen doing the same.
Jacen doesn't have Anakin's potential, unless you have a quote to prove otherwise. He has Skywalker blood coursing through his veins, but in any case, it's been diluted by two generations of non Force sensitives thanks to Padme Amidalla and Han Solo, so it's not clear if Jacen's potential is even on par with post mustafar Vader's. Sure, his "command of the Force" is greater, but that might be because he can use the Force in ways Vader can not.
What I mean is we know Caedus should stand tall ahead of Vader, but it's unclear to what degree.
Yeah, and that's why we should look to their compilation of feats to define what the differnce is; if their is any differnce at all.
Comparing and contrasting feats it would seem Vader is superior,
Then why do you think Caedus is above him in the Force by a decent degree? If there isn't any empirical data to back that assertion up, and the data itself favours Vader, then it's just a groupie demonstration of fanboysim.
but with the fact that most ,if not all, of Jacen's feats by the time he's Caedus are done with barely any effort
19bby Vader collapsed a cathedral with a huge labyrinth lying under it while in a virtually dead state. Does Caedus have anything remotely on this level that costs him "barely any effort".
and a quote championing him as Vader's better exists -- there's no reason to assume the "hur dur, featz only!" approach would apply in this situation.Once we get past that, Caedus is just better as per canon(if you wish to take Publisher Summaries as such).
Yeah, but the thread is to try and differentiate the power differnce between them. We know that the quote exists, although it's meaning isn't clear. Anyway, just because something is greatest, or greater than the others, does not make everything else insignificant. There are quotes championing Dooku as the second best swordsman in the order, yet the differnce between him and Mace is not likely to be a "decent margin", more like and infinitesimal one. So what's your reason to place him "decently ahead" of Vader.
And if you wanna play feats only, Caedus performed better against a pissed off GM Luke than Vader did against a pissed off RotJ Luke(I believe Beware the Power of the Dark Side even has Luke moving faster than Vader's perception or something along those lines). [/B]
A horrendous comparison devoid of context. Luke pinned Caedus to a chair with infinitesimal amounts of effort, he defeated him in combat within three lightsaber strikes, the only reason Caedus could last as long as he could against is because of the latter's tendency to job against every character he ever faces. Otherwise, he could have just dominated Caedus on the spot. For a better comparison, 19bby Vader stomped Aurra Sing before improving his mobility, while the latter could have a fairly protracted duel with Caedus, pretty much outmatching him in martial combat.
Originally posted by MythLord
She wasn't even using the environment.
Originally posted by MythLord
Then she had him in a position where he couldn't turn around or else he'd get his head skewered and Sing proceeded to kick him.
Caedus shouldn't be your role model to be a dumb f-uck you imbecile.
Originally posted by MythLord
By your own logic, Caedus pinning Luke to a wall is "clever use of the environment".
Who the f-uck cares...
Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, just because Jacen's one leeway Force Push failed doesn't mean an all-out telekinetic ragdoll wouldn't.
Yes it does. If Caedus would've been so far and above Aurra as your cocksucking ass thinks then a single force push should've rendered her useless.
This is how it looks like when you get pushed by your betters:
Originally posted by MythLord
He simply channelled his pain in a manner of a Dark Sider so it makes sense he'd use a Dark Side power.
That's some shit tier reply if I've ever seen one, because sith never use TK 🙄
Originally posted by MythLord
He wasn't humiliated and by the time she fought him, Aurra wasn't a sub-Aayla phag.
Nice theory you have there, prove it.