How much more powerful is Caedus than Vader?

Started by The Ellimist4 pages
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
And that might be a valid comparison, when you completely ignore the circumstances of the events in the post, which have been addressed in others.

Yeah totally, an injured knee Luke is obviously weaker than the RotJ pissed off Luke that utterly dominated Vader.

Hey, wait - since you can restrict your sample to three strikes and be like "well Luke would've won in three strikes!", while ignoring the rest of the duel as statistical noise (even though the rest of the duel was a larger, more fair sample), and then delete that from your reply, I can do the same. Just look at Luke right when he disarms Vader - hey, he did it in one strike!


Regardless, everyone and their mothers puts up a fight against Luke -

I'll let you figure out the double standard for yourself. Regardless, Luke usually holds back; yet in this case he was enraged enough to actively try to kill his nephew from behind.


the only reason Caedus lasted as long as he did was because of Luke's decision not to rag doll him on the spot.

Even when Ben was in danger? lolwut

Luke is simply too inconstant to be used as a measuring stick, unless you want to elevate Dessan's, Lumiya's, random Krislaws, Kuellers, Brakiss, random Dark Tribe Sith, Vong Bots etc, you need to find a better measuring stick. Do you have anything else?

That it's cute watching you try to debate.

Ellimist, before I go to dress any of this (both threads), what's your excuse for Jacen's difficulty against an out of prime Aurra Sing, in comparison to 19bby Vader's consummate ease with the latter?

He isn't more powerful at all.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Ah, jut saw it yet. Thanks 🙂

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
He isn't more powerful at all.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
He isn't more powerful at all.

Still sticking with this, yeah.

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I doubt it. I know Caedus > Vader.

Caedus has been established here for years as being more powerful than Vader. Good to see we have some new incredibly toxic seeming members to make this forum not fun.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Ellimist, before I go to dress any of this (both threads), what's your excuse for Jacen's difficulty against an out of prime Aurra Sing, in comparison to 19bby Vader's consummate ease with the latter?

Reverse scaling isn't a thing.

lel

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Caedus has been established here for years as being more powerful than Vader. Good to see we have some new incredibly toxic seeming members to make this forum not fun.

So...because you have Caedus > Vader since years, everyone who has Vader > Caedus is toxic? 🤨

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Reverse scaling isn't a thing.

Plus I'm pretty sure Vader vs Aurra was a fist fight.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So...because you have Caedus > Vader since years, everyone who has Vader > Caedus is toxic? 🤨

No, there is no correlation between who I think is stronger in this fight and if people are toxic here. People being toxic in this thread is why I said that.

He isn't more powerful than Vader at all, which is why he got his shit stomped in. He has a blurb on the back of a book, and nothing else.

And Luke's own estimation.

Bloodlusted ROTJ Luke legit smashes Vader in seconds.

Bloodlusted Grandmaster Luke gets tagged by Caedus and can't put him away nearly as fast.

Vader totes rapes Caedus.

First, Luke never raped Vader in seconds and they had a prolonged duel. Second, Caedus has Luke tied up, poisoned, and strangled. And still lost. Badly. To a Luke out of his physical prime which would be around 30. Take that shit somewhere else, Trocity.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
First, Luke never raped Vader in seconds and they had a prolonged duel. Second, Caedus has Luke tied up, poisoned, and strangled. And still lost. Badly. To a Luke out of his physical prime which would be around 30. Take that shit somewhere else, Trocity.

Enraged Luke did which is what Troc said.

Also, who the f*ck cares if he was in his physical prime when he was in his prime as a Force user? Lmao.

When I re-read LOTF recently, i saw more circumstances that would have hindered Luke. Even as grandmaster, this is a person who has had several in-character excuses to why he performs less well than usual - this is a guy who ran from Gammorian guard's while injured. Jacen only managed to do as well as he did because he poisoned Luke with a Vong torture device that was completely undetectable via Force sense. Which explains why Luke couldn't three-shot Jacen like he previously had in sabers after that point. It explains why someone like Aurra Sing can practically beat the shit out of him, be unaffected by his Force push and even disarm him of his weapon. It explains why Katarn's strike team was besting/equalising him in the saber portion of their fight.