Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why does being a grandiose malignant narcissist have anything to do with Palpatine wasting his time manually doing what his lessers could be doing for him without any sort of risk or danger inherent in the process?He did take Maul and keep him imprisoned because he planned to use Maul against Talzin. He was either in the process of forming such a plan or the events of SoD WERE his plans. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. The difference is that sending anybody else to have captured him would have hosted an inherent risk while doing so himself did not.
Because a grandiose malignant narcissist might be inclined to partake in grandiose actions?
You're dodging the point. I'm not disputing why he came there in the first place. I'm asking you why he behaved like an egomaniacal douche and engaged in a totally unnecessary and protracted fight when he could have just made it a quick affair.
The action itself isn't grandiose. It's time consuming and energy draining and there's nobody around to witness it who'll remember it unlike the other instance you mentioned where he left Maul alive.
Probably to prove a point to Maul. To give him some shred of hope before snatching it away making his fall all the harder for thinking he could have ever challenged him.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The action itself isn't grandiose. It's time consuming and energy draining and there's nobody around to witness it who'll remember it unlike the other instance you mentioned where he left Maul alive.
It was absolutely grandiose lol. He would have TK'd a ten mile starship and then mindraped the thousands/millions of witnesses.
Perhaps Vader was there?
Even if not, Palpatine himself might have done it for amusement. This is the guy that, per the Clone Wars movie novelization, enjoys the fact that he's a Sith Lord and immensely enjoys the fact that no one around him knows.
No one else actually has to be present lol.
Probably to prove a point to Maul. To give him some shred of hope before snatching it away making his fall all the harder for thinking he could have ever challenged him. [/B]
Because Maul obviously thought he could win the fight, right?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
It was absolutely grandiose lol. He would have TK'd a ten mile starship and then mindraped the thousands/millions of witnesses.Perhaps Vader was there?
Even if not, Palpatine himself might have done it for amusement. This is the guy that, per the Clone Wars movie novelization, enjoys the fact that he's a Sith Lord and immensely enjoys the fact that no one around him knows.No one else actually has to be present lol.
Because Maul obviously thought he could win the fight, right?
Yes but he didn't get to show off. He's essentially accomplishing a task he already knows he's capable of. There's no audience to be in awe of his power.
Vader's there simply to watch his master accomplish an impressive feat and be impressed by it? Unlikely.
I doubt putting hours of work into tediously lowering beams and putting them in place is his idea of entertainment.
Except it's pointless if no one's present because a part of the reason Sidious carries out grandiose actions is for them to be seen and for his inferiors to be in awe of. Not to mention it doesn't serve to entertain himself because he's going to have to concentrate on actually carrying out passable engineering. If he really wanted to entertain himself with his powers why didn't he simply create a force storm on some secluded world? It'd be a hell of a lot simpler.
If he didn't think there was at least a chance or that he could stall him long enough for his guards to arrive why didn't he just tell Savage to run before following his own advice?
I get the counter arguments but they don't satisfy the logical progression here. It's argued that it rectonned the early passage. That simply isn't true. Both passages could work. The second quote doesn't invalidate the first because they are wildly different. If they were, they may be a point here, but it doesn't imo. Both could work and fit nice enough together.
What's odd to me, is that we're taking one form of proof that is vastly more ambiguous, and saying that it's better proof than something that is made crystal clear. That is simply odd to me.
Lastly, if he wanted to show off his force powers to people could be in awe... then the logical progression there wouldn't be to mindrape the people for ever knowing you did something.. the same people you were supposedly trying to impress by doing it. That just makes no sense.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yes but he didn't get to show off. He's essentially accomplishing a task he already knows he's capable of. There's no audience to be in awe of his power.
...Who says he knew he was capable of such a feat before doing it?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Vader's there simply to watch his master accomplish an impressive feat and be impressed by it? Unlikely.
Why?
Because the Emperor is above such petty power plays? lol
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I doubt putting hours of work into tediously lowering beams and putting them in place is his idea of entertainment.
It's about as exciting as navigating the minutiae of Republic bureaucracy and parliamentary procedure for 20 years. Tedious work is kinda Sheev's thing.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Except it's pointless if no one's present because a part of the reason Sidious carries out grandiose actions is for them to be seen and for his inferiors to be in awe of. Not to mention it doesn't serve to entertain himself because he's going to have to concentrate on actually carrying out passable engineering.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars by Karen Traviss
Palpatine nudged gently for a reaction. "A suitable job for Jedi. Nothing can be hidden from you for long, after all."Except me, of course.
Even now, after all these years of delicately careful planning, he had moments when the ease with which he moved undetected among them as a Sith Lord made him pause and marvel.
You don't deserve to be the guardians of the galaxy, do you?
....
Palpatine enjoyed Yoda's company, because the longer he sat smiling benignly at Yoda, and the longer the greatest Jedi Master failed to recognize Palpatine for what he was, the more satisfying the situation became.
So this is where centuries of wisdom-and power-gets you. Oblivious, smug, and self-serving.
"Come along, Master Windu, what's the problem?"
^ There is precedent of Palpatine enjoying pulling shit over on people. He doesn't require an audience or someone to be in on the joke. The text says his enjoyment derives from people not knowing about the deception in question.
TK'ing an object as massive and as powerful as a Super Star Destroyer and then compelling the population to forget the act and then entertaining himself with their ignorance and helplessness is something I could very easily see him doing.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If he really wanted to entertain himself with his powers why didn't he simply create a force storm on some secluded world? It'd be a hell of a lot simpler.
I've no idea, nor do I need one.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If he didn't think there was at least a chance or that he could stall him long enough for his guards to arrive why didn't he just tell Savage to run before following his own advice?
Because the opportunity to run like hell didn't present itself?
So, to recap: Palpatine is a malignant narcissist who has a penchant for self-aggrandizement and grandiosity. Burying a Super Star Destroyer and mindraping the witnesses is suitably grandiose. He may have done so in front of a small informed audience, Vader or the Inquisitor, or he might have done it in total privacy, but you've yet to prove that he requires an audience to do something grandiose and superfluous.
There's literally no objection you've offered that I haven't addressed lol.
I would add to that that Sidious also enjoys revelling in his own strength and power, and in that respect the idea that he would seek to test his limits is perfectly feasible.
Really I'm seeing increasingly fewer reasons regarding Sidious' ability to perform the feat or willingness to do so. Only whether or not this is what the statement is saying, or intended to say.