Originally posted by BackFire
Stop putting words in my mouth.There is a difference between deporting some and deporting all/most. What Trump has suggested would be mass deportation on a scale we've never seen before.
I am asking that, not saying you said it.
Trump already said he was not going to deport everyone like that, so its kinda a moot point already.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
His executive orders on immigration that were ruled unconstitutional by the courts.http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/politics/immigration-supreme-court/
And so the executive orders were negated, yes? Same thing would happen with Trump if he tried it.
Trump's immigration plan: Deport 'bad ones,' treat 'the rest' like Obama does
Originally posted by BackFire
And so the executive orders were negated, yes? Same thing would happen with Trump if he tried it.
The court would have to rule it unconstitutional. The constitution says we can protect and control borders and does not get into specifics, so a wall would be well within reason, especially since we already have one.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The court would have to rule it unconstitutional. The constitution says we can protect and control borders and does not get into specifics, so a wall would be well within reason, especially since we already have one.
The constitution says we can protect our borders, but that doesn't mean the President can build a wall without congressional support, hence why building the fences we already have now required congressional support.
And as far as Trump's immigration policy goes, as with most of his politicies, he's changed it on a whim several times. In an interview he said this -
Pelley: "Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants --"
Trump: "Or whatever the number is."
Pelley: "Still in the country, what do you do?"
Trump: "If they've done well, they're going out and they're coming back in legally. Because you said it--"
Pelley: "You're rounding them all up?"
Trump: "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn't sound nice. But not everything is nice."
Will he do that? Or will he do what he said in the article? I think he wants to do what he outlined in that interview, but reality won't allow him to.
Lady Justice has her eye covered for a reason. I dont think we can say "ok we are only going to deport these people over here cause they are the good law breakers, and the ones over here, well they are the bad law breakers"
Donald J. Trump’s 10 Point Plan to Put America First
1. Begin working on an impenetrable physical wall on the southern border, on day one. Mexico will pay for the wall.
2. End catch-and-release. Under a Trump administration, anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country.
3. Move criminal aliens out day one, in joint operations with local, state, and federal law enforcement. We will terminate the Obama administration’s deadly, non-enforcement policies that allow thousands of criminal aliens to freely roam our streets.
4. End sanctuary cities.
5. Immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties. All immigration laws will be enforced - we will triple the number of ICE agents. Anyone who enters the U.S. illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country.
6. Suspend the issuance of visas to any place where adequate screening cannot occur, until proven and effective vetting mechanisms can be put into place.
7. Ensure that other countries take their people back when we order them deported.
8. Ensure that a biometric entry-exit visa tracking system is fully implemented at all land, air, and sea ports.
9. Turn off the jobs and benefits magnet. Many immigrants come to the U.S. illegally in search of jobs, even though federal law prohibits the employment of illegal immigrants.
10. Reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, keeping immigration levels within historic norms.
Yes we can definitely decide which illegal immigrants to deport because deporting them all is not feasible and there's a lot of nuance in it. What about the children who were born here to illegal parents? Do the children get deported too? Ripped out of school? It's not a cut and dry situation and since Trump is not good at really explaining or possibly even understanding nuanced situations, it's unclear what his actual policy will be.
I cant get into those gushy verbs, Trumps immigration plan I just posted says nothing about ripping anyone out of schools. I really dont know what else to say other then to read his actual position I posted.
He also says he is going to do the same thing Obama has been doing.
To me, its a lot more clear then Hillay saying she wants open borders to a brazillian bank, then saying, thats not what she meant.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I cant get into those gushy verbs, Trumps immigration plan I just posted says nothing about ripping anyone out of schools. I really dont know what else to say other then to read his actual position I posted.He also says he is going to do the same thing Obama has been doing.
To me, its a lot more clear then Hillay saying she wants open borders to a brazillian bank, then saying, thats not what she meant.
Yes the problem is his position has changed so much that it's pretty much impossible to really know what he actually wants to do. This is his own fault, really.
He doesn't have to say "I will rip children out of school" in order for that to be the result of his potential actions. If he does engage in mass deportation then that's the ultimate outcome.
Either way, like I said I sincerely doubt he'd actually be able to do it, even if he really wants to.
Trump would deport less immigrants than Obama, at least Mexican immigrants. The cheap labor they provide helps the farming industry, construction industry etc keep their overhead down. Trump's a capitalist at heart, he's not harming his fellow financial elites.
Why do you think the face he showed to Mexico was far different than the face he showed in the US? A vote for Trump is a vote for even more illegal Mexicans *gasp*
/allfactsandcantbedenied
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can't build a wall but somehow we went to the moon. I'm sorry I don't buy it. China built a wall 13,000 miles long hundreds of years ago.
China built that wall over the course of thousands of years, and only united it during the Ming dynasty. It also isn't as expensive to maintain as the kind of wall Trump proposes.
We will have to disagree. Obama cut the program back more then anyone else as well. And has further cut it for 2017, this is one of the positions I agree with him on.