Peak Revan vs ROTS Sidious

Originally posted by darthbane77
No, it really isn't. And the fact that you're a Sheevite further discredits you in my eyes.

Originally posted by Trocity
I doubt he gives a shit.

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It's strange, that I only ranked most TOR chracters higher, since Deronn debated for them- while he barely debates at all, isn't it?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I think I ninja'd you Deronn, or?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Lol. It is. Let's debate.
On what basis is Revan = RotS Sidious?
Despite all the quotes which I posted above(and no one yet disproved), Sidious also statlemated/overpowered Yoda, who ragdolled 100+ m ships.
He also ragdolled Dooku, who threw cruisers(up to 215m in lenght) with ease, and ragdolled Vos(who dominated K'Krukh, who threw large(40m?) ships, and Obi-Wan(who also manipulated large ships).

@Ursumeles. Thanks for the quotes.

Those quotes seem to focus on either a particular time frame such as when the rule of two started or within the current time frame. Yoda, Luke, nor Vader can not be valid sources for a historical view as to whether Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord and dark side user ever.

An example is the quote - Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.

Obviously this cannot be historical when the Father, Daughter and Son existed.

Powerful Sith Lord is true since he conquered and the Galaxy and defeated the Jedi.

Sorry, I see that quotes as a testament to how powerful Sidious is and was viewed by his contemporaries but not a historical view of where Sidious falls within the line of most powerful force users to ever lived.

And what have the strike teams and novel Vitiate done that are worth even a fraction of Sidious' attention, B77?

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Originally posted by Azronger
And what have the strike teams and novel Vitiate done that are worth even a fraction of Sidious' attention, B77?

Originally posted by darthbane77
No, it really isn't. And the fact that you're a Sheevite further discredits you in my eyes.

Even if we ignore the 12 official statements on the matter for your benefit, you haven't done a competent job explaining what Revan's feats are that trump cosmically threatening the Force, bending a lightsaber blade, mind-wiping billions of people at once, overloading Yoda's tutanimus, generating a galaxy wide nexus, etc. You're welcome to get on it. 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Even if we ignore the 12 official statements on the matter for your benefit, you haven't done a competent job explaining what Revan's feats are that trump cosmically threatening the Force, bending a lightsaber blade, mind-wiping billions of people at once, overloading Yoda's tutanimus, generating a galaxy wide nexus, etc. You're welcome to get on it. 👆

Originally posted by darthbane77
Considering the TOR protags (who comprised the strike teams for the most part) are the greatest Jedi/Sith/Combatants of their day and all have great feats. Novel Vitiate being described as Godlike, being :infinitely" more powerful than Nyriss (who was capable of incinerating peple with lightning), TPing full trained Sith Lord and being recognized as incredibly powerful at a young age by Marka Ragnos himself all come to mind.

Nope.

"have great feats" is literally cringeworthy
"Godlike" is superfluous
Incinerating people with lightning is far less impressive than bending a lightsaber blade, being able to crack Imperial Palace, etc
TPing fodder sith on nexuses is not as impressive as TPing Vader
Being "incredibly powerful" is likewise cringey

Originally posted by Azronger
And what have the strike teams and novel Vitiate done that are worth even a fraction of Sidious' attention, B77?

Sidious killed his master in his sleep.
Was defeated in single combat.
Survived only due to Anakin's confusion.
Rule over one Sith at a time.
Die by the hands of his apprentice.

Your point?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nope.

"have great feats" is literally cringeworthy
"Godlike" is superfluous
Incinerating people with lightning is far less impressive than bending a lightsaber blade, being able to crack Imperial Palace, etc
TPing fodder sith on nexuses is not as impressive as TPing Vader
Being "incredibly powerful" is likewise cringey

As for right now:
Yet true nonetheless, unless you disagree that the protags have impressive feats.

Yet is a good indicator of how powerful Vitiate is based on how his subjects see him.

Satele Shan was starting to visibly crack and/or damange Malgus' lightsaber blade, that feat>bending a lightsaber blade.

It is when he TP'd as many as he presumably did. And a 13 year old easily dominating a trained Sith Lord is impressive nonetheless, you'd agree if we were talking about Palpatine.

Yet it's true nonetheless.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Revan's fighting, dominating and nearly defeating two incredibly separate strike teams, willing himself back from the dead, creating an imbalance in the Force by merely existing, contending with Vitiate on a DS Nexus, all came to mind when deciding my placement for Revan. All of those feats are comparable to anything Sidious has done. For TK, Lana+Outlander+Senya were able to life the Gravestone; one of the biggest ships of the time. Revan is>>those three together, so scaling suggests he could have lifted the Gravestone on his own. Making Revan capable of TK feats equal to Yoda's.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nah, not really. I mean, it was a protag+Marr+Shan+Lana+a bunch of Force sensitives, or? Bar the protags, none of them are above Maul, and might even not above Savage, who got easily ragdolled by Palpatine.
While it is better, than what has Savage done, it isn't close to shifting the Balance of the Force so heavily, that the Force created Anakin; or an guy who is a few generations weaker than_ Sidious, letting the Jedi feel the Dark Side the first Time since nearly thousand years.
Hell, in a simple disturbance is more similar
And he didn't even really ragdolled them, did he?
Krayt has done the same, and Sidious created wormholoses through his will.
Contending with an guy, who is far below Sidious doesn't puts him there :/
Revan isn't >>> The Outlander, KEK. We can Yoda also scale off from Starkiller, who busted an frigate, was statlemated by Vader, who was an Shadow of his former self, and no match for Sidious.
How big is the Gravestone? It didn't seem that big, tbh.
Also, it is possible that Palpatine TKed the Lusyanka shortly after that...which sh!ts on all Revan has done.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Vitiate reigned as Lord for how many years over a Sith Empire? Could not be defeated by anyone during his life time as lord in single combat.

Sidious killed his master in his sleep.
Was defeated in single combat.
Survived only due to Anakin's confusion.
Rule over one Sith at a time.
Die by the hands of his apprentice.

Your point?

Your point?

Originally posted by darthbane77
Saying Palpatine is far above Vitiate is pure cancer. Yes Sidious is above him, but not that significantly. Most of the characters in either strike team (barring Lana and Theron), especially the Force users, are all above Maul pretty decently.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Even if we ignore the 12 official statements on the matter for your benefit, you haven't done a competent job explaining what Revan's feats are that trump cosmically threatening the Force, bending a lightsaber blade, mind-wiping billions of people at once, overloading Yoda's tutanimus, generating a galaxy wide nexus, etc. You're welcome to get on it. 👆

Even if Sidious is more powerful, faster, more skilled than Revan, Revan has shown himself to have a measure of success against surmounting odds. i.e. battle against Vitiate and Malak on the Star Forge.

This is how i see the battle going. Sidious due to his pride would attack Revan in the same way he did Mace and would not start off with a force attack. Revan's precognition would allow him to survive the onslaught until he is able to gain equal footing in saber combat.

Then you have a saber battle where Revan's experience would come into play. Revan would probably employ many dirty tricks. I see either Revan disarming Sidious or employing a force attack that catches him off guard.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
And Vitate is > Revan 🙂
And yeah, Novel Vitate hasn't done anything to suggest that henis close to Sidious.

Originally posted by darthbane77
It's pretty likely that SoR Revan is > SWTOR Vitiate.