For one, the quote doesn't necessarily mean what you're saying it does.
That being said, being more skilled with a lightsaber than Revan doesn't mean he'd beat Revan in a lightsaber fight.
Revan's greatness with a lightsaber comes primarily not from his mastery over it, but other factors like precog, augmentation, experience, etc.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For one, the quote doesn't necessarily mean what you're saying it does.
Given that you've failed to offer me an alternative explanation of any sort, I'm going to think that this is just another one of those desperate denials.
That being said, being more skilled with a lightsaber than Revan doesn't mean he'd beat Revan in a lightsaber fight.Revan's greatness with a lightsaber comes primarily not from his mastery over it, but other factors like precog, augmentation, experience, etc.
You're right. But that's where Dooku's feats come in. And they're better as well.
Not that Revan's augmentation or experience outweighs Dooku's to any noticeable degree.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
@ShootingNova - Could just be talking in the previous context of "Yoda's pupils" *shrugs*IIRC, would fit given Windu was a student of Yoda too
I can see where your interpretation stems from, but its not as unambiguous as you appear to believe
That makes no sense. The quote says "eclipsed by Mace Windu and Yoda", so it's obviously referring to all of the Jedi, not Yoda's pupils. The relevant clause is "one of the finest sword masters the Order ever produced", not "Yoda taught many pupils throughout his years".
Originally posted by SunRazer
Given that you've failed to offer me an alternative explanation of any sort, I'm going to think that this is just another one of those desperate denials.
You're right. But that's where Dooku's feats come in.
That's a completely different discussion. You were trying to say Dooku > Revan was fact - it's not.
Originally posted by SunRazer
That makes no sense. The quote says "eclipsed by Mace Windu and [b]Yoda", so it's obviously referring to all of the Jedi, not Yoda's pupils. The relevant clause is "one of the finest sword masters the Order ever produced", not "Yoda taught many pupils throughout his years". [/B]
Sure it does *shrugs*
Yoda's tacked on as a "himself" because he's the teacher
He's an extraneous thought to the comparison
Still not sure why you guys put so much emphasis on skill
I'd figure that would only matter once you establish parity between speed and strength... though mostly speed
Tack on shit like discussing who's the better space wizard when it comes to precog?
Skill's fairly limited in general utility in determining how a fight can go
You can have precise blade work, doesn't help you if your opponent is able to strike 3 times for every 1 you can and they're better capable of determining where you're going to strike than you are them
Not discussing this thread, but in general *shrugs*
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's a completely different discussion. You were trying to say Dooku > Revan was fact - it's not.
As a swordsman. Not that he'd directly win in a contest automatically.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Sure it does *shrugs*Yoda's tacked on as a "himself" because he's the teacher
He's an extraneous thought to the comparison
The "himself" is in personal reference to Yoda, since he was specifically mentioned by name earlier. As I said, the relevant clause is the one about the most skilled sword masters ever produced in the Order.
I'll agree that either position is possible, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Still not sure why you guys put so much emphasis on skillI'd figure that would only matter once you establish parity between speed and strength... though mostly speed
Tack on shit like discussing who's the better space wizard when it comes to precog?
Skill's fairly limited in general utility in determining how a fight can go
You can have precise blade work, doesn't help you if your opponent is able to strike 3 times for every 1 you can and they're better capable of determining where you're going to strike than you are them
Not discussing this thread, but in general *shrugs*
Unless you can show me Revan striking 3 times for every 1 on Dooku's part, which you can't, since Dooku can contend with Yoda, then I do think skill is the principle disparity in a blade contest here. I agree that smaller advantages are negligible, but as of yet, I'm not seeing any reason to consider the skill gap between Revan and Dooku as such.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Unless you can show me Revan striking 3 times for every 1 on Dooku's part, which you can't, since Dooku can contend with Yoda, then I do think skill is the principle disparity in a blade contest here. I agree that smaller advantages are negligible, but as of yet, I'm not seeing any reason to consider the skill gap between Revan and Dooku as such.
I'm not asserting Revan possesses that kind of speed advantage?
Again
Talking in general
Should I bold my disclaimer and put it on the top of my post next time? :hmm
Originally posted by SunRazer
My point is that I don't see any advantage on Revan's part for things like strength and speed. So the skill disparity is most certainly pertinent here. Your complaint might've held merit in another case, but not here.
Its a question, not complaint *shrugs*
I lurk some threads and see focus on a stat I generally disregard in most fiction and asked why its highlighted so heavily
I don't think like the lot of you, how exactly is asking clarification a complaint?
Yes, clearly it saying the Order ever produced right before it says Jedi!Dooku's only surpassed by prime!Mace and Yoda means it's only referring to Yoda's students...
Yoda taught himself, y'know, and he's been teaching since the Order began in 69.000 BBY. He's the reincarnation of Vodo Baas.
The Dooku lowballers are getting desperate, tbh.