Darth Plagueis/Palpatine's Meditation War Never Created Anakin Skywalker

This was an argument addressed on another topic, but it was relevant enough for a topic solely devoted to the discussion.

In short, nothing states that Anakin Skywalker was actually born from the meditation ritual besides the silent musings of Palpatine and Darth Plagueis.

Thus, it's not confirmed fact. However, what is confirmed fact is everything read below.

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Anakin Skywalker was born in 41.9 BBY.

Assuming 3:4:14 ArS is 32.0 BBY, then Anakin Skywalker is 9 years, 10 months, and 24 days old of The Phantom Menace.

Note that the above isn't critical to this discussion, but it's worth noting.

The Yinchorri Uprising took place in 33.0 BBY.

In the Darth Plagueis novel, it states that the duo's meditation took place 8 years prior to the event.

Thus, the meditation occurred roughly around 41 BBY.

Even if we assume the mental war took place the earliest it possibly could (i.e. a day short of 42 BBY), the math doesn't add up.

After all, Anakin Skywalker would have been *conceived* well into 42 BBY (likely around 42.7 BBY).

Also, if we make note of the ArS timeline established above, then Anakin Skywalker would have been conceived a full year before it happened.

Thus, we have Anakin Skywalker being conceived numerous months after the latest possible time the meditation could have occurred.

In other words, Darth Plagueis and Palpatine's war never gave birth to Anakin Skywalker. Something else did. 👆

Rock solid. 👆

We will never know... 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
Rock solid. 👆

Final nail in the coffin for the Plagueis Brigade, tbh.

*Implying the TOR phags have even gotten hold of a hammer.

I'm sorry. I'm not understanding your math.

The meditation took place sometime in 41BBY. Anakin was born sometime in the same year.

What does 3:4:14 ArS mean and what is it referring to? Is that how you got Anakin's age by TPM ( 9 years, 10 months, and 24 days old ). If so could you link the source? I mean, even if you're right this is obviously still a simple mistake on Luceno's part but I want to confirm that you actually are beforehand.

Also could you provide the source for Anakin being born in 41.9 BBY rather then just 41 BBY? Thanks.

Anakin Skywalker was born 41.9 BBY. He was conceived, (very, very) likely, sometime in 42 BBY.

In contrast, Darth Plagueis's meditation would have occurred around 41.0 BBY, and definitely before 41.5 BBY.

Thus, Anakin Skywalker could not have possibly been the production of the duo's meditation.

BrS / ArS is a Star Wars dating system like BBY / ABY. The difference is it specifies the month and day too.

And no, I got the age you listed (i.e. the nine years one) but calculating what age 41.9 to 32.0 would yield.

http://web.archive.org/web/20111119032510/http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/13

How do we know what part of 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis began in? Or that "Eight years" isn't just an approximation?

It seems weirdly specific for James Luceno to put that whole thing in there, date it within at least the accuracy of a year, have the text of the Plagueis novel point to it being a result of their actions, only for it to be contradicted by some technicality that for it to contradict the point would be dependent on when exactly in 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis took place.

Someone should contact Luceno about this for clarification, because it's a little sketchy.

Why? Why does being born in 41.9 mean he would have to have been concieved in 42?

The time the meditation occurred is left unspecified. It simply says 8 years before 33 meaning sometime in 41.

Already addressed the "approximate" quote being built to address things like this. Regardless just to entertain this what does .9 equate to in regards to IRL months/years?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
How do we know what part of 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis began in? Or that "Eight years" isn't just an approximation?

It seems weirdly specific for James Luceno to put that whole thing in there, date it within at least the accuracy of a year, have the text of the Plagueis novel point to it being a result of their actions, only for it to be contradicted by some technicality that for it to contradict the point would be dependent on when exactly in 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis took place.

Someone should contact Luceno about this for clarification, because it's a little sketchy.

As soon as I get his contact info I'll do so. Ask him "So it was Plagueis and Sidious's combined assault on the Force that caused Anakin's birth?" I'll post the answer on the forums.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
How do we know what part of 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis began in? Or that "Eight years" isn't just an approximation?

It seems weirdly specific for James Luceno to put that whole thing in there, date it within at least the accuracy of a year, have the text of the Plagueis novel point to it being a result of their actions, only for it to be contradicted by some technicality that for it to contradict the point would be dependent on when exactly in 33 BBY the Yinchorri Crisis took place.

Someone should contact Luceno about this for clarification, because it's a little sketchy.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I already addressed it.

Again, The New Essential Chronology attributes either a 0.0 or a 0.5 decimal point to non-battle dates.

For proof of this, refer to all of the data entries of the modern era, and you will see them being used.

The lack of usage of a 0.5 decimal (and thus having 31.5) means that it took place closer to 31.0.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why? Why does being born in 41.9 mean he would have to have been concieved in 42?

The time the meditation occurred is left unspecified. It simply says 8 years before 33 meaning sometime in 41.

Already addressed the "approximate" quote being built to address things like this. Regardless just to entertain this what does .9 equate to in regards to IRL months/years?

I factor in that. If you read my analysis, I assume the meditation took place for a year, which is the best possible scenario for Plagueis.

It means he was born in the tenth month, twenty fourth day (or around that, since it was approximating).

Because normal development time for a child is about 9 months or 0.75 years. Regardless, it's sorta a moot point. Anakin was conceived by the Force to balance the Force. Plags and Palpatine were the ones to unbalance it.

The entire point of my argument is that Anakin was born prior to the unbalancing. 😐

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because unless he was in Shimi's womb for only two months, he would have been been conceived in 42 BBY.

I factor in that. If you read my analysis, I assume the meditation took place for a year, which is the best possible scenario for Plagueis.

It means he was born in the tenth month, twenty fourth day (or around that, since it was approximating).

So it's unconfirmed given we don't know how long Shmi carried Anakin for.

Granted she never mentioned Anakin being born in an abnormally short period so I can understand your view.

The difference here is that I wouldn't base my stance off a single source that lists Anakin's birth as 41.9 where it prefaces that the dates are "approximate" beforehand.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The entire point of my argument is that Anakin was born prior to the unbalancing. 😐

Sure. I got that. But I fail to see the importance of it. The Force "knows" the future anyway. That it created its agent of balance before the unbalancing doesn't change the fact that it created him to fix the unbalancing caused by Plags and Palpatine. Either way, Anakin was conceived in "response" to the Sith's actions.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So it's unconfirmed given we don't know how long Shmi carried Anakin for.

Granted she never mentioned Anakin being born in an abnormally short period so I can understand your view.

The difference here is that I wouldn't base my stance off a single source that lists Anakin's birth as 41.9 where it prefaces that the dates are "approximate" beforehand.

No, my point stands either way since the crisis happened prior to 33.5 BBY.

Another work has the BrS year for Anakin Skywalker, which is 7:4 BrS.

So, as per that source, Anakin was born 42.4 BBY.

That's even more crushing in my favor.

So really, if you want to dispute it, it's best to take the 41.9. 👆

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. I got that. But I fail to see the importance of it. The Force "knows" the future anyway. That it created its agent of balance before the unbalancing doesn't change the fact that it created him to fix the unbalancing caused by Plags and Palpatine. Either way, Anakin was conceived in "response" to the Sith's actions.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, my point stands either way since the crisis happened prior to 33.5 BBY.

Another work has the BrS year for Anakin Skywalker, which is 7:4 BrS.

So, as per that source, Anakin was born 42.4 BBY.

That's even more crushing in my favor.

So really, if you want to dispute it, it's best to take the 41.9. 👆

And you base that off of a source book saying that unspecified dates occur within the 0.0-0.5 of that years when that is undoubtedly contradicted throughout the lore.

42.9* And as I mentioned it was prefaced beforehand with the word "approximate."

No if I want to dispute it I'll simply ask Luceno to clarify. When he does you'll stick to your rhetoric as you try to say Luceno's statement is irrelevant based off examples of other author's having made questionable statements in the past. Everybody with any common sense will accept what's evident and you'll go back to scheming plots to wank Revan and bring down his competition. It's pretty simple.