Originally posted by Zack M
On average, yes, but that's why I specified the AM incident. The Avengers don't have speed feats like Flash.
Well you aren't really in a position to specify anything and make it stick unless what I specified concerning the Hulk is also allowed to stick? If that's the case Thor has quite a few over the top off average feats that I could bring up.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well you aren't really in a position to specify anything and make it stick unless what I specified concerning the Hulk is also allowed to stick? If that's the case Thor has quite a few over the top off average feats that I could bring up.
Flash would just vibrate his hand in Thor's head. Game over.
There are three possible answers:
1. Comic book Flash A - Loses, due to the need for comic book writers to have a story. Thus, you see the Flash struggling against the likes of Captain Cold. Although an alternative view would be that he goes easy on them. How would I know this? Take Captain Cold - he froze someone's leg and broke it (the alternate reality flash I believe), and stated that when he fights against Flash he is 'friendly' (not the exact words, but there's an understanding) - but against the alternate reality versions no such understarnding exists. Froze the leg to below zero, and it snapped. Thus it is possible Flash also does the same.
2. Comic book Flash B - Wins. The other way is to look at the several examples of comic book Flash - with no amp or anything like that - being totally godly. Example - when he evacuated an ENTIRE CITY, moving people in twos and threes miles away, while an atomic weapon detonated. That level of speed is simply team destroying. They would not be able to even react.
3. KMC forum Flash - Wins. A non PIS/CIS Flash is a character that can defeat virtually all people at his level and below.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
CIS/CIP is still on, so that's not exactly KMC forum Flash.
That eliminates Flash number 3 on my list. What about Flash number 2, which is the comic book version that can evacuate over half a million people, taking them in (as the comic quotes) 'one at a time, and sometimes two,' to a position 35 miles away, while a nuclear bomb is exploding. Doing this in '0.00001 microseconds' as the comic states (that's in the picosecond range), and note he had to search and find each man, woman and child in that city.
There are several other examples in comics (some even faster than that, as hard as it is to believe), but I choose that as it shows the sheer extreme of his speed without adding IMP punches or speed steals that freeze the earth , outracing instant transportation, making light speed attacks stand still, outracing Superman around the world in fractions of a second and waiting for him, or such stuff.
Comic book Flash, when he's not jobbing, is still a beast.
But anyway - I digress. What about the speed for Flash number 2 on my list? I would hate to face someone who can evacuate 500K people 35 miles away taking them in ones and twos (which means over a million trips back and forth over that distance) in 0.00001 of a microsecond (not second, microsecond) ....especially when I will be fighting that character with the fight starting out just some yards away.
I'd hate to fight such a character ....
Originally posted by krisblaze
He could win if he is given a list of priorities.If he knows that Moondragon and Scarlet Witch have to go down first then he could win.
Tbh most of these guys couldn't even see him.
These two ladies could end him in so many ways. Despite all his abilities his mind will still be susceptible maybe not to scarlet at first but moondragon would detect him immediately
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Forum flash is as bad as forum Surfer.
I actually agree, since both characters have open ceilings that can be highly extrapolated.
However, I am using example 2 - which is a non-jobbing comic book Flash. I honestly do not see many characters below a certain level being able to do much against a non-jobbing comic book Flash, and that is why I used that city evacuation example and stating that I'd hate to be fighting such a character that can do over a million trips back and fro 35 miles each trip (going and coming back), looking for people, while a nuke is detonating at a time of 0.00001 microseconds ...and I am starting the fight from a 50 yard or so distance.
Re: Could the Flash solo The Avengers?
Originally posted by riv6672
Pre-DCnu Wally West against the Korvac Saga Avengers roster (Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Yellowjacket, Beast, Wonder Man, Hawkeye, Whizzer, Scarlet Witch, Hellcat, Moondragon, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, Mantis, Falcon).No prep.
No BFR.
Could he? Yes.
Would he? No.
Originally posted by leonidas
forum flash could win, almost effortlessly. comic book flash would almost never win.
I hate forum Flash, but I'm basing my opinion on the idea that Flash operates at the general level of intelligence/capability of Zoom.
In other words, fast enough and smart enough that he never gets tagged unless he wants to, but not where he's throwing IMPs around like meth in a trailer park.
So half the roster is human and worthless, and the other half is decently powerful but slow as shit.
The only real threats then are Moondragon (and at times Flash has been too fast for TP to work) and SW (who is a wildcard). With basic knowledge he could easily KO both before they could react.