Could the Flash solo The Avengers?

Originally posted by leonidas
forum flash could win, almost effortlessly. comic book flash would almost never win.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He could win if he is given a list of priorities.

If he knows that Moondragon and Scarlet Witch have to go down first then he could win.

Tbh most of these guys couldn't even see him.

Originally posted by Cogito
I hate forum Flash, but I'm basing my opinion on the idea that Flash operates at the general level of intelligence/capability of Zoom.

In other words, fast enough and smart enough that he never gets tagged unless he wants to, but not where he's throwing IMPs around like meth in a trailer park.

So half the roster is human and worthless, and the other half is decently powerful but slow as shit.

The only real threats then are Moondragon (and at times Flash has been too fast for TP to work) and SW (who is a wildcard). With basic knowledge he could easily KO both before they could react.

Forum flash only persists because of threads and reasoning like this. He's not dropping anyone before they react because on average he doesnt drop threats before they react. I swear it's like noone on this board reads comics just look at scans and googling respect threads.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Forum flash only persists because of threads and reasoning like this. He's not dropping anyone before they react because on average he doesnt drop threats before they react. I swear it's like noone on this board reads comics just look at scans and googling respect threads.

Are you serious?

Flash will take down people with human durability at the beginning of the fight. That's the entire point of this forum.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Are you serious?

Flash will take down people with human durability at the beginning of the fight. That's the entire point of this forum.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Do give me that weak ass argument kris. I know the ruling but flash does not clock human level characters. Yes its a viable tactic, just like soul suck, just bfring a mofo to the sun but it NEVER happens outside of boards and we STILL go by averages and character portrayal. IN CHARACTER no flash is dropping any threat at the ring of the bell. They zoom around the room dodging freezing blasts, bommerangs and arrows. They even get tagged. The fact that anyone would argue that flash solos an entire avengers squad in the first millisecond just show how little they actually know of the comics they claim to read.

Obviously the intent of the thread was to use Flash at some higher than average capacity, otherwise this wouldn't be competitive.

Don't forget that while Wally typically operates at a low capacity for PIS reasons, he can and often does operate at a high capacity against speedsters like Zoom and such, so what I'm suggesting is just using real higher end feats not imaginary forum feats.

Originally posted by riv6672

Pre-DCnu Wally West against the Korvac Saga Avengers roster (Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Yellowjacket, Beast, Wonder Man, Hawkeye, Whizzer, Scarlet Witch, Hellcat, Moondragon, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, Mantis, Falcon).

No prep.
No BFR.

So we're taking Wally when he went back to the Crisis?

Then yeah, he murders. He was lending speed to an army of heroes, including Superman, who didn't even know he was there. And he destroyed the Anti Monitor's armor easily, which is pretty durable itself, in addition to running in and out of AM's anti matter without a scratch.

Oh yeah, plus "Battle computer".

Because Wally was running battle computer like scenario's faster then a future quantum computer could, so tapping into the current battle computer = auto win sentiment. 😉

In the comics anybody vs anybody is a good matchup.

Certain people seem to forget the purpose of the VS forum.

To match characters when they fight at the best of their ability, per the rules.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Do give me that weak ass argument kris. I know the ruling but flash does not clock human level characters. Yes its a viable tactic, just like soul suck, just bfring a mofo to the sun but it NEVER happens outside of boards and we STILL go by averages and character portrayal. IN CHARACTER no flash is dropping any threat at the ring of the bell. They zoom around the room dodging freezing blasts, bommerangs and arrows. They even get tagged. The fact that anyone would argue that flash solos an entire avengers squad in the first millisecond just show how little they actually know of the comics they claim to read.

That "weak ass" argument is the rules.

Flash is fighting to the best of his ability.

How much Flash have you read?

Originally posted by Cogito
Obviously the intent of the thread was to use Flash at some higher than average capacity, otherwise this wouldn't be competitive.

Don't forget that while Wally typically operates at a low capacity for PIS reasons, he can and often does operate at a high capacity against speedsters like Zoom and such, so what I'm suggesting is just using real higher end feats not imaginary forum feats.

I dont have an issue with a high end portrayal. Op said pre-dcnu. I didnt see anything about high end feats only. So it's safe to assume he meant at average. And at average portrayal flash will struggle with tony let alone the whole damn team. All characters operate with pis in play. So saying the only reason superman doesnt do xyz is bullshit. He doesnt do it because it's ooc for him to. Same with flash, surfer, etc. Full capacity does not mean no limit fanfic fallacy.

And if it was rivs intention to place a lightweight avengers squad face a guy at his absolute best with zero low showings calculated then this thread is spite and needs to be closed.

Originally posted by krisblaze
In the comics anybody vs anybody is a good matchup.

Certain people seem to forget the purpose of the VS forum.

To match characters when they fight at the best of their ability, per the rules.

That "weak ass" argument is the rules.

Flash is fighting to the best of his ability.

How much Flash have you read?

Best of his ability while still IN CHARACTER. Quit cherrypicking key words to boost your argument. Flash does not fight like that.

Future Flash could win, too. A speedster who trained under Shiva, Batman, and Slade? Scary.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Best of his ability while still IN CHARACTER. Quit cherrypicking key words to boost your argument. Flash does not fight like that.

Super speed and super intelligence are always two very difficult powers to argue for and against.

Best of their abilities, in character? The sheer gap in processing speed between the two sides is staggering, though. Wally would literally have to WANT to be hit, in order to be hit - when we take PIS off. Yes, he gets tagged by humans with boomerangs and ice etc. But the arguments are just boiling down to saying that in the midst of battle, he slows down in order to give the other side a fighting chance.

Why would he do that, in character?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Super speed and super intelligence are always two very difficult powers to argue for and against.

Best of their abilities, in character? The sheer gap in processing speed between the two sides is staggering, though. Wally would literally have to WANT to be hit, in order to be hit - when we take PIS off. Yes, he gets tagged by humans with boomerangs and ice etc. But the arguments are just boiling down to saying that in the midst of battle, he slows down in order to give the other side a fighting chance.

Why would he do that, in character?

Like on Supergirl last week, when she kept getting hit by alien guns, and in the next encounter she's like "Oh yeah, I have super speed", and just avoids the shots and grabs the guns.

Until she forgets all over again with the random mid air stop.

Flash can't resist punching Captain A's shield.
When his hand breaks and he stops to sob, the rest of the Avengers dogpile and beats the SpeedForce out of his bones.

Originally posted by Magnificent M
Flash can't resist punching Captain A's shield.
When his hand breaks and he stops to sob, the rest of the Avengers dogpile and beats the SpeedForce out of his bones.

...and that Cap isn't fast enough to make Flash hit his shield unless Flash wants to hit the shield.

Like said before, he needs to get to Moondragon and Scarlet Witch at the beginning or they shut him down. If he does, its trouble for the Avengers.

Not 100% sure TP would work, since TP's have had trouble shutting down the Flash, thanks to the Speed Force.

Originally posted by tkitna
Like said before, he needs to get to Moondragon and Scarlet Witch at the beginning or they shut him down. If he does, its trouble for the Avengers.

They won't even be able to read his thoughts.

And they'll be a statue to him, he literally has all the time in the world. The "start" stretches into a week.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Could he? Yes.

Would he? No.

Originally posted by cdtm
They won't even be able to read his thoughts.

And they'll be a statue to him, he literally has all the time in the world. The "start" stretches into a week.

Seems like he's unbeatable then. Wonder why DC even bothers to have a Flash comic since no villain or other character has a chance against him.