Could the Flash solo The Avengers?

Originally posted by tkitna
Seems like he's unbeatable then. Wonder why DC even bothers to have a Flash comic since no villain or other character has a chance against him.

Which is why CIS and PIS exists. Writers have to make a story last more than three panels (characters like Flash, if comics were written with consistent logic, would have very few foes that would last more than three panels - introduction of the reason for the fight, start of the fight, end of the fight).

However, to make a plot you have the Flash having a talking gorilla and a chap who throws boomerangs as foes.

This is the same for many other characters - Quasar, Superman, Thor, Green Lantern, even Ice Man (the potential in that character is ludicrous).

However, comics are there to tell a story, and forums are there to logically discuss how it would pan out were it 'real.' That is, when CIS/PIS are stripped away (and increasingly for KMC, when it is not a stupid popularity contest that has Marvel fanboys thinking they have to always say 'Marvel character X wins' or DC fanboys thinking they have to always claim 'DC character Y wins.' The forum has become inundated with one sentence 'Hulk wins' or 'Superman wins' nonsense).

Flash is this quite interesting ...some posts above I have three options. Two comic versions and the forum version.

Of the three, the only one that loses is a comic jobbing version.

The forum version, and the comic book non-jobbing version, would both never lose this.

People aren't saying that the Flash IMPs Odin and Galactus to death in a millisecond.

We're saying he's capable of taking out a group of people with human durability before they react...

In character, no.

My whole thing is if a gorilla with telepathic abilities can give the flash pblms then I really don't see how he can candle scarlet witch a veteran whose abilities affected the planet and moondragon who had Thor as a sex slave pretty much under mind control

Originally posted by Scarlet315
My whole thing is if a gorilla with telepathic abilities can give the flash pblms then I really don't see how he can candle scarlet witch a veteran whose abilities affected the planet and moondragon who had Thor as a sex slave pretty much under mind control

Grodd is fairly strong though, much stronger than a regular human.

If it was Thor or Wonder Man firing off telepathic blasts then Flash would be in trouble.

Lol.

Flash has to run at least Mach 10, and punch Grodd from Kansas to Wyoming, just to KO him.

http://imgur.com/a/Zshta

So yeah, he doesn't just have 'gorilla-level' durability.

TWO gorillas!

Originally posted by Cogito
You realize that the speedforce empowers Flash with extremely enhanced durability to match his speed?

...and that Cap isn't fast enough to make Flash hit his shield unless Flash wants to hit the shield.

Obvious joke post was obvious.

*Whoooooooooosh!* (Flash-like speed not needed)

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Your head.

Originally posted by tkitna
Seems like he's unbeatable then. Wonder why DC even bothers to have a Flash comic since no villain or other character has a chance against him.

That's why his comics are unreadable. No writer really knows how to handle him without turning him into an idiot.

The same thing happens when, say, Val Armorr fights Batman instead of Superman.

Or hell, when Batman fights anybody. Mixing Streets and Heralds is the problem.

Only comic I've ever seen that handled that well was Thunderbolts. Quicksilver beating Mr. X with a pipe had the comic communities treating it like a major deal precisely because that kind of pis/cis free writing rarely happens.

While your points are valid, i'm also glad not everyone thinks like you. It would turn this forum into a ghost town.

Originally posted by Zack M
Chaos King is hella weak. 😂

Flash can kill everyone here

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Anti Monitor got beat up by superman

Moondragon is no slouch in TP either tho.

Originally posted by zopzop
Classic Thor, Wonderman, Immortal Hercules, Ms. Marvel, Vision, Classic Moondragon, and Scarlet Witch a weak roster?! 😕

Yes, once they are all reduced to taking a century just to blink.

the whizzer.... hee hee hee

but I think without prep I could see flash trying to fight at what he would consider to be normal fighting levels since he doesn't know anything about the squad and if in character is not trying to go ham and destroy.

I think the second he tries to lariat or leg sweep someone with his regular super human speed I think he will get knocked back if he chooses incorrectly for that first blow.

if he doesn't get moondragon first I think its gameover. in the instant he realizes he needs to go super duper fast instead of super fast is all it takes for moondragon or scarlet witch to incapacitate him. not to mention if he attempts to take on thor first (which I think he would), if he does that first punch is going to get wasted on Ms. Marvel too IMO. and I don't think he could get the drop on the celestial Madonna without prep initially.

my guess is flash gets 6 out of 15 tries but honestly in character I don't think he'd ever win

Originally posted by staxamillion
but I think without prep I could see flash trying to fight at what he would consider to be normal fighting levels since he doesn't know anything about the squad and if in character is not trying to go ham and destroy.

Without prep he should still have basic knowledge. Plus this still essentially comes down to "Flash loses because he doesn't go all out".

I think the second he tries to lariat or leg sweep someone with his regular super human speed I think he will get knocked back if he chooses incorrectly for that first blow.

Why wouldn't he try to hit Thor as hard as he can? No prep means he will not have time in advance to think about his plan of attack, it doesn't mean he won't know who he is fighting.

Plus given how fast his mind works, he can actually take the time to think about a plan without actually giving any of his opponents time to attack.

if he doesn't get moondragon first I think its gameover. in the instant he realizes he needs to go super duper fast instead of super fast is all it takes for moondragon or scarlet witch to incapacitate him. not to mention if he attempts to take on thor first (which I think he would), if he does that first punch is going to get wasted on Ms. Marvel too IMO. and I don't think he could get the drop on the celestial Madonna without prep initially.

The problem is Flash could blitz all this people casually without going anywhere near his full speed. There is no real "if he doesn't get this person first" here. They will all be statues compared to him. He can save Moon Dragon for dead last for all it matters.

my guess is flash gets 6 out of 15 tries but honestly in character I don't think he'd ever win

At least you sort of seemed to admit that he definitely has the capacity to make short work of this entire team.

I thought the argument of if he blitzed no one would really be able to defeat him had already been done.

I like I think most people have already stated that "he definitely has the capacity to make short work of this entire team".

I don't see why he would have basic knowledge they are from different universes.

im adding that in character he would not make short work of the avengers but if he went all out he could.

Originally posted by staxamillion
I thought the argument of if he blitzed no one would really be able to defeat him had already been done.

I like I think most people have already stated that "he definitely has the capacity to make short work of this entire team".

I don't see why he would have basic knowledge they are from different universes.

im adding that in character he would not make short work of the avengers but if he went all out he could.

They all get basic knowledge regarding one another.

They'd know he's a really fast speedster.

He'd know thor and wonder man has super strength/durability, moondragon has TP, etc.

The only way for Flash to win this is to isolate every Avenger or to make hit & run tactics while using his speed at his best which means that he will have to go far away of his targets between each attacks (charges) in order to build-up speed.

Otherwise he has literally zero chances to win this.