Originally posted by Zack M
Except that it wasn't TP and TS has more than TP to rely on.
Ikaris also has TP, but to argue that he'd defeat Thor because of it is stretching things way out of proportion. This seems to be the only thing that you seem to be using to say that BM loses here. IMO it's simply not enough, especially when you take into consideration that these guys would be moving much too fast for Tangent to concentrate on subduing BM with mind control.
Originally posted by Stoic
Ikaris also has TP, but to argue that he'd defeat Thor because of it is stretching things way out of proportion. This seems to be the only thing that you seem to be using to say that BM loses here. IMO it's simply not enough, especially when you take into consideration that these guys would be moving much too fast for Tangent to concentrate on subduing BM with mind control.
Thor isn't in this thread. And he has some TP resisting feats, anyway. Show scans of BM resisting TK/TP.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Traditional tp...? None that I know of. But I think that showing should be considered because having a strong willpower is a valid basis for resisting any form of tp. Not saying it's ironclad that Harvey's tp would be useless however.As far as how this fight goes, I think TS has the edge based on his powerset. Frankly I need to see more from BM in regards to tp resisting and willpower feats.
Well, considering the owner of BM's respect thread said this, I'm pretty satisfied.
Having one's mind enthralled by another, and a second later fighting it off is a valid mind dominating resistance feat. How this became a stumbling block to very intelligent people is beyond me? BM wins, against the guy that has feats against those that have none. LOL at TP being the reason for another character winning without question.
Originally posted by Stoic
Having one's mind enthralled by another, and a second later fighting it off is a valid mind dominating resistance feat. How is it that this is a stumbling block to very intelligent people is beyond me? BM wins, against the guy that has feats against those that have none. LOL at TP being the reason for another character winning without question.
What TS did to Flash wasn't a psychic attack. You failed to provide any evidence. TS, FTW.
Originally posted by Zack M
What TS did to Flash wasn't a psychic attack. You failed to provide any evidence. TS, FTW.
Not my fault that you are incapable of understanding the things that you read. His mind was enthralled, he broke out of the condition a second later. It was a mind dominating resistance feat. One form of mind domination does not rule out other forms. Should we get a Mod ruling? Just concede.
Originally posted by Stoic
Having one's mind enthralled by another, and a second later fighting it off is a valid mind dominating resistance feat. How this became a stumbling block to very intelligent people is beyond me? BM wins, against the guy that has feats against those that have none. LOL at TP being the reason for another character winning without question.
Because he controlled the water in them.
It's like saying people who resist Mera, are resistant to psychics....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he controlled the water in them.It's like saying people who resist Mera, are resistant to psychics....
No, it's like BM was able to shrug off the effects that were used to control his brain regardless of whatever dominating effects caused him to lose control of his thoughts. No matter the form of mind domination, it was mind domination. This is like refusing to validate Despero's form on mind control because it differs from Charles Xavier's form of mind control. It's silly.
Originally posted by Stoic
No, it's like BM was able to shrug off the effects that were used to control his brain regardless of whatever dominating effects caused him to lose control of his thoughts. No matter the form of mind domination, it was mind domination. This is like refusing to validate Despero's form on mind control because it differs from Charles Xavier's form of mind control. It's silly.
Not the same thing.
Originally posted by Zack M
Not enough. That one feat (even if it was TP) isn't an indicator he can resist someone as powerful as TS.
You asked if he had mind domination resistance feats. You were given one. You didn't like it, and hopped on the cherry picking wagon. The guy that tried to imprison his mind. was planning on doing so to the rest of humanity. I'd wager that he has very good resistance. How long are you planning on rehashing this? BM would break free of TS's TP attempt. Do you have anything other than DC wins without any proof to back it?
Originally posted by Stoic
You asked if he had mind domination resistance feats. You were given one. You didn't like it, and hopped on the cherry picking wagon. The guy that tried to imprison his mind. was planning on doing so to the rest of humanity. I'd wager that he has very good resistance. How long are you planning on rehashing this? BM would break free of TS's TP attempt. Do you have anything other than DC wins without any proof to back it?
No, I said TK resisting. Which you have failed to deliver.
Originally posted by Zack M
No, I said TK resisting. Which you have failed to deliver.
And Bm can manipulate energy to the point of a surgeon. What feats does TS have to say that he doesn't have his energy manipulated by BM? See we can both play this game instead of coming up with some hard battle feats proving which of these guys win out.
Originally posted by Zack M
Any mental resisting feats?
TK? Since when did telekinesis become a telepathic power?
Originally posted by Zack M
He also treated Superman like nothing in his first encounter. He's just that powerful. Now if BM has TK/TP resisting feats, I'd take him, but I don't think he does.
Then you switched from TP, to TP/TK. being that he has a super strong body, resisting TK shouldn't be a problem for him, unless you're trying to play TS up to being a Phoenix level TK user. Then I'd have to ask you what you're basing the new comer with very few feats on? Looks like you'll be the one that is hard pressed to find anything.