Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not to mention, celey, the owner of the BM respect thread, is also on TS' side.
Do you think that owning a respect thread discounts the fact that other people that have read about both characters may have a differing opinion? Since when has these things been decided based on power set?
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you think that owning a respect thread discounts the fact that other people that have read about both characters may have a differing opinion? Since when has these things been decided based on power set?
Character comes into play, of course.
TS has so few appearances, though, that almost every one of his showings, he relies on TP.
Which means he would, in all likelihood, be busting it out at the start. This isn't Surfer, who has 1001 powers to try, or Flash, who is stupid, or Aquarian, who is....also stupid, lol. Or even Superman, who is...OK, he's stupid as well, lol.
Fight starts, he will use TP. And if one side has no TP feats - well, it isn't looking good.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Character comes into play, of course.TS has so few appearances, though, that almost every one of his showings, he relies on TP.
Which means he would, in all likelihood, be busting it out at the start. This isn't Surfer, who has 1001 powers to try, or Flash, who is stupid, or Aquarian, who is....also stupid, lol. Or even Superman, who is...OK, he's stupid as well, lol.
Fight starts, he will use TP. And if one side has no TP feats - well, it isn't looking good.
Which once again goes back to BM showing that he can break out of being telepathically manipulated. I already showed you why it is a valid resistance feat. You decided to invalidate it because it was a different form of TP.
Originally posted by Stoic
Which once again goes back to BM showing that he can break out of being telepathically manipulated. I already showed you why it is a valid resistance feat. You decided to invalidate it because it was a different form of TP.
Well....yes. Because TS does not control water. So completely different.
Like I said earlier, if someone resists Mera (Aquaman's wife) does that mean that person can resist a psychic? Or, say, Hydroman? Namor (am pretty sure he has controlled water somewhere...could be wrong)?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well....yes. Because TS does not control water. So completely different.Like I said earlier, if someone resists Mera (Aquaman's wife) does that mean that person can resist a psychic? Or, say, Hydroman? Namor (am pretty sure he has controlled water somewhere...could be wrong)?
And like I said, it was meant to control the mind, so no matter how he did it, the point was that BM broke free of being enthralled resulting in him breaking free of mental domination. It wasn't as if his body was the only thing that was taken over while his mind was free to watch everything around him unfold. Going the route that you are attempting would invalidate guys like Despero, Starro, and Dr. Strange, because they take a different path to mind domination. He resisted an assailant that was actively using their power to keep him under wraps.
What kinds of energy manipulation resistance feats does TS have? I mean if we want to decide this by power set, which has been exactly the route that's been taken thus far. Adam has shown the ability to manipulate energy like a surgeon operates on the flesh when he save Monica Rambeau's life.
TS has no feats to suggest that he wins this, while Adam has shown the ability of breaking out of mental domination.
Originally posted by Stoic
And like I said, it was meant to control the mind, so no matter how he did it, the point was that BM broke free of being enthralled resulting in him breaking free of mental domination. It wasn't as if his body was the only thing that was taken over while his mind was free to watch everything around him unfold. Going the route that you are attempting would invalidate guys like Despero, Starro, and Dr. Strange, because they take a different path to mind domination. He resisted an assailant that was actively using their power to keep him under wraps.What kinds of energy manipulation resistance feats does TS have? I mean if we want to decide this by power set, which has been exactly the route that's been taken thus far. Adam has shown the ability to manipulate energy like a surgeon operates on the flesh when he save Monica Rambeau's life.
TS has no feats to suggest that he wins this, while Adam has shown the ability of breaking out of mental domination.
Except,as Cage's father says - their minds were still their own. He still gets nightmares from the memories. Their bodies were no longer theirs - they would want to scream, but are unable to.
So, mentally, they weren't being controlled. Physically, yes.
Which is what I'm trying to say, which is why I am saying it's completely different.
With regards to energy manip feats - I am NOT debating by powerset. In character, as I have said, TS uses TP a lot. I mean, he has what, two, three appearances? In every one of them, he uses TP. BM, doesn't.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except,as Cage's father says - their minds were still their own. He still gets nightmares from the memories. Their bodies were no longer theirs - they would want to scream, but are unable to.So, mentally, they weren't being controlled. Physically, yes.
Which is what I'm trying to say, which is why I am saying it's completely different.
With regards to energy manip feats - I am NOT debating by powerset. In character, as I have said, TS uses TP a lot. I mean, he has what, two, three appearances? In every one of them, he uses TP. BM, doesn't.
Remember, in the Flash instance, TS used TK. Unless BM has a way to resist that, all TS has to do is phuck with his brain.
I think you just dont like BM. 😂
You and Stoic have been having the same argument for years now.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-570713-martian-manhunter-vs-blue-marvel.html