Originally posted by MythLordI'm only discussing TCW Dooku lol. They're all strength related. He's pushing away Anakin's blade; but according to SunRazer Dooku never has.
One of those gifs isn't even strength related... And the other two are pre-RotS where Anakin was overwhelming Tyranus pretty convincingly with strength.
Originally posted by KurkDooku's footwork is a lot stronger here, Anakin's legs are more bunched up whereas the Count is poised to spring back.
Not really overpowering Anakin here, he's running his blade along the length of Skywalker's, regardless Dooku's arms are contracted, Anakin's are fully extended. #Leverage.
More of a disarming flourish that brute force application here, but even so forgivable considering Anakin was clearly off-balanced by the presence of the magnaguards.
Originally posted by KurkNah the fact that Anakin's is using a lightwhip here is important, he's not applying his strength to block a physical strike. Or in other words he was caught off-guard. I also imagine he would be much less in his element using a foreign weapon.
Also found thisHe catches the inside of anakin's arm and pushes him back forcing him onto his knees. Greater strength confirmed
Like I said, circumstantial examples, and in general, there are usually two many factors at play in regards to these one-off clashes to make reasonable conclusions, and when Dooku is notorious for using footwork, leverage etc. to gain an upper hand, its a pointless exercise.
On the other hand fatiguing and overpowering Dooku over a consistent period of fighting its a much greater indicator of superior stamina and combative strength in a holistic sense:
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And the fact Dooku was on the defensive is not really an excuse. 😬
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Dooku's footwork is a lot stronger here, Anakin's legs are more bunched up whereas the Count is poised to spring back.
Not really overpowering Anakin here, he's running his blade along the length of Skywalker's, regardless Dooku's arms are contracted, Anakin's are fully extended. #Leverage.
More of a disarming flourish that brute force application here, but even so forgivable considering Anakin was clearly off-balanced by the presence of the magnaguards.Nah the fact that Anakin's is using a lightwhip here is important, he's not applying his strength to block a physical strike. Or in other words he was caught off-guard. I also imagine he would be much less in his element using a foreign weapon.Like I said, circumstantial examples, and in general, there are usually two many factors at play in regards to these one-off clashes to make reasonable conclusions, and when Dooku is notorious for using footwork, leverage etc. to gain an upper hand, its a pointless exercise.
On the other hand fatiguing and overpowering Dooku over a consistent period of fighting its a much greater indicator of superior stamina and combative strength in a holistic sense:
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And the fact Dooku was on the defensive is not really an excuse. 😬
Oba Diah 1.) What you said is going to be dependent on individual forms. Lack of mobility is a weakness of Djem So while footwork is core to Makashi. Had Dooku been using both hands I might have agreed, but Anakin is using a double grip overhead power-attack against a one-handed Dooku who doesn't have a problem maintaining the block and pushing back one-handed.
Oba Diah 2.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but lightsabers don't behave like traditional metal swords; you can't really run your blade against another since the friction is so great. So either Dooku overcame an incredibly large amount of friction force, or he pushed Anakin's arms back. You tell me.
Naboo 1.) This wasn't a flick of the wrist disarment, He had to force Anakin's arms around 3/4 of the way.
Zygerria : Nice beating around the bush. If you watch that scene on youtube at .25 speed, you will see that Anakin tries to throw some sort of hooking punch and Dooku catches the inside of his arm and pushes him back.
Naboo 2.) This helps as Anakin power-attacked him 3 times on the floor yet his guard remained in place even at a gravitational disadvantage. If Anakin was at the level he was at RotS, Dooku's arm would have collapsed. Being on the defense in not an excuse, but a reason to explain why the fight happened as it did. His goal was to leave with the Chancellor; it only makes sense considering that's what the past 2 episodes were about.
I mean, in the gif Beni posted Anakin is 2-hand power attacking from above and Dooku is still managing to block him with one hand. Someone going ham on you two handed and you're blocking them with one, personally I think thats as clear as it gets for proving that you're as strong or stronger than someone.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I mean, in the gif Beni posted Anakin is 2-hand power attacking from above and Dooku is still managing to block him with one hand. Someone going ham on you two handed and you're blocking them with one, personally I think thats as clear as it gets for proving that you're as strong or stronger than someone.
That would be the case if it weren't for Dooku lavishly expending his Force reserves to actually do that.
Originally posted by SunRazer
That would be the case if it weren't for Dooku lavishly expending his Force reserves to actually do that.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe wasn't attacking at all though except for that one bland grunt yell swing. He was blocking everything just fine before that.
He couldn't block it for for a sustained period though. Hence him being driven back and booted to the floor.
We see what Dooku's capable of when he really wants to go on the offensive as seen on Oba Diah (and the Oba Diah fight takes place season 6 vs Naboo season 4 when Anakin is supposedly stronger) .
Originally posted by KurkNot sure what you're referring to.
You ignored the other naboo gif when Anakin attacks him from behind
Oba Diah 1.) What you said is going to be dependent on individual forms. Lack of mobility is a weakness of Djem So while footwork is core to Makashi. Had Dooku been using both hands I might have agreed, but Anakin is using a double grip overhead power-attack against a one-handed Dooku who doesn't have a problem maintaining the block and pushing back one-handed.Quite, Dooku's form is of advantage in this situation. Leverage and footwork are his bread and butter. Regardless we can pick over the details ad nauseum but the fact remains Dooku has struggled with Anakin's strength when these factors are absent, for example:
In both of those instances Dooku is being overpowered with no strings attached.
Oba Diah 2.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but lightsabers don't behave like traditional metal swords; you can't really run your blade against another since the friction is so great. So either Dooku overcame an incredibly large amount of friction force, or he pushed Anakin's arms back. You tell me.I wouldn't know, not sure why that would be the case. Regardless, the presence of leverage is the key point here.
Naboo 1.) This wasn't a flick of the wrist disarment, He had to force Anakin's arms around 3/4 of the way.Which is why I said more of, but he is employing an element of finesse here. But again, Anakin was off-balanced.
Zygerria : Nice beating around the bush. If you watch that scene on youtube at .25 speed, you will see that Anakin tries to throw some sort of hooking punch and Dooku catches the inside of his arm and pushes him back.Beating around the bush? Lol. And no he's not trying to hook him with a punch, something that should be obvious given 1. he's flailing a whip 2. Dooku's face is nowhere close. Regardless, it doesn't make the slightest difference, he wasn't aiming to meet Dooku's attack.
Naboo 2.) This helps as Anakin power-attacked him 3 times on the floor yet his guard remained in place even at a gravitational disadvantage. If Anakin was at the level he was at RotS, Dooku's arm would have collapsed. Being on the defense in not an excuse, but a reason to explain why the fight happened as it did. His goal was to leave with the Chancellor; it only makes sense considering that's what the past 2 episodes were about.Anakin is still stronger, and you'll have to elaborate, because leaving with the Chancellor doesn't require one get kicked to the ground, in fact I'd rather think when trying to escape you might attempt to avoid that.
But sure, let's consider the context. This duel was a rehersal, orchestrated by Palpatine or rather Darth Sidious for the sole purpose of seeing if Anakin was strong enough to defeat Dooku and take his place, and evidently he was satisfied with the results:
From the viewer's perspective it being a foreshadowing of Anakin overpowering him in RotS. Go figure.
Originally posted by Kurk
We see what Dooku's capable of when he really wants to go on the offensive as seen on Oba Diah (and the Oba Diah fight takes place season 6 vs Naboo season 4 when Anakin is supposedly stronger) .
Or that was a high end performance for Dooku. In any case, what major hit did he land on Anakin on Oba Diah?