Anakin Skywalker's Physical Strength (Comparison)

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not sure what you're referring to.

This:

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, Dooku's form is of advantage in this situation. Leverage and footwork are his bread and butter. Regardless we can pick over the details ad nauseum but the fact remains Dooku has struggled with Anakin's strength when these factors are absent, for example:

In both of those instances Dooku is being overpowered with no strings attached.[/b]

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I wouldn't know, not sure why that would be the case. Regardless, the presence of leverage is the key point here.

Which is why I said more of, but he is employing an element of finesse here. But again, Anakin was off-balanced.[/b]

There is no proof of him being off-balanced. It was clear he didn't perceive the droids to be a major threat since he kept flinging them around and bum-rushing Dooku.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Beating around the bush? Lol. And no he's not trying to hook him with a punch, something that should be obvious given 1. he's flailing a whip 2. Dooku's face is nowhere close. Regardless, it doesn't make the slightest difference, he wasn't aiming to meet Dooku's attack.[/b]

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Anakin is still stronger, and you'll have to elaborate, because leaving with the Chancellor doesn't require one get kicked to the ground, in fact I'd rather think when trying to escape you might attempt to avoid that.

But sure, let's consider the context. This duel was a rehersal, orchestrated by Palpatine or rather Darth Sidious for the sole purpose of seeing if Anakin was strong enough to defeat Dooku and take his place, and evidently he was satisfied with the results:

From the viewer's perspective it being a foreshadowing of Anakin overpowering him in RotS. Go figure. [/B]

For all we know Sidious is smiling seeing how aggressive Anakin is and how he draws from dark-energy. Strangling someone in battle isn't a very jedi-like thing to do. You're going to get knocked down in fight if all you do is retreat and try to block since your attacker doesn't have to worry about your own offense; simple as that.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That would be the case if it weren't for Dooku lavishly expending his Force reserves to actually do that.

You just made that up though, so that is the case, lol.

Nah. S4 has Anakin being clearly stronger than Dooku in bladelocks. It's obvious that Dooku needs to draw on his reserves to a much greater extent than Anakin if he wants to block a two-handed blow from Anakin who also has significant momentum on his side, with just one hand behind him.

Oh my mistake, I hadn't realised that you'd decided it was obvious. I guess it really isn't the case then. Sorry.

Thats total bs, as Kurk has shown Dooku can block Anakin behind his back with one hand and still push him back and forced him back on Obah Dai again with 1 hand and in RotS he blocked him and Obi-Wan at once with 1 hand and pushed Anakin back so hard that he almost fell over, again with 1 hand. You don't get to decide something just because you want to, in spite of the majority of examples going against you.

Even if Dooku was drawing more heavily on his power than Anakin, the fact that he was doing it with 1 hand is still undeniable.

Of course it's undeniable that he performed the showing - I can see it with my own eyes. Suggesting that it means Dooku is stronger than Anakin is indeed incorrect since we've seen Anakin overpower Dooku twice in saberlocks in S4. This can only be explained by Dooku drawing more strongly on his reserves than Anakin in this case.

Majority of examples? Don't be silly. The one on Oba Diah was Dooku kicking Anakin's legs to unbalance him, and in most of your examples, Dooku was taking advantage of leverage to overcome Anakin. He isn't better in straight-up strength, as Shadow Warrior clearly proves.

On the other hand, Anakin overpowering Dooku in saberlocks makes him stronger than Yoda, who wasn't able to do that in over ten seconds of bladelocking with the Count in AotC. And Yoda is most definitely stronger than the Count.

Of course, Dooku wasn't outright overpowered by Yoda in terms of strength, because he drew more on his reserves than Yoda did, which is why he's exhausted by the end of the fight and Yoda isn't.

I got cut off and had to end my edit there. I'd assumed you'd know what I meant. It's undeniable that the factor is a strong indicator of a comparison between them. If, and that is an if because all we're basing it on is your speculation, he was drawing heavily on the force, thats balanced by him only using a single hand to do it. And I only recall one time when Anakin had a slight upper hand in a saber lock, which can be explained as him being particularly angry at the time or drawing heavily on the Force. Meanwhile, Dooku performed all the feats I mentioned and had the upper hand in the saberlock in RotS. In terms of standard showings, Dooku has the upper hand more than Anakin does.

No it isn't:

Dooku's in a lower position to Anakin and still manages to push him far back. And that leverage excuse is so bogus. It's just your amateur interpretations based on eyeballing it.

Lmao @ Anakin being stronger than Yoda. What a crock of absolute shit. Maybe Anakin was just drawing heavily on the Force while Yoda and Dooku weren't, lmao. Again, Dooku had the upper hand in RotS, the time when both were at their peak.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I got cut off and had to end my edit there. I'd assumed you'd know what I meant. It's undeniable that the factor is a strong indicator of a comparison between them. If, and that is an if because all we're basing it on is your speculation, he was drawing heavily on the force, thats balanced by him only using a single hand to do it. And I only recall one time when Anakin had a slight upper hand in a saber lock, which can be explained as him being particularly angry at the time. Meanwhile, Dooku performed all the feats I mentioned and had the upper hand in the saberlock in RotS. In terms of standard showings, Dooku has the upper hand more than Anakin does.

The fact that he does it with only one hand is the reason I said he would've compensated for it by drawing on his reserves more. Even two-handed, Dooku was overpowered in saberlocks twice in Shadow Warrior, and those represent situations where Dooku can't use things like leverage to his advantage.

Dooku's in a lower position to Anakin and still manages to push him far back. And that leverage excuse is so bogus. It's just your amateur interpretations based on eyeballing it.

Then that's just another example of Dooku drawing more on his reserves. The leverage thing isn't bogus, it's an integral part of his fighting style.

It's directly stated in RotS that Dooku's Makashi doesn't have the ability to meet Anakin's Djem So head-on without him extensively drawing on his reserves. Anakin's clearly stronger.

Lmao @ Anakin being stronger than Yoda. What a crock of absolute shit.

Other than being supported by sources?

Maybe Anakin was just drawing heavily on the Force while Yoda and Dooku weren't, lmao.[/b]

Yes, because you don't draw on your reserves heavily during bladelocks at all, lmfao.

Again, Dooku had the upper hand in RotS, the time when both were at their peak.

At his peak, Anakin trounced Dooku, lmao.

Anyways, Dooku only ever held the upper hand whilst he was making Anakin break down emotionally with his Dun Moch.

Originally posted by Kurk
This:

Maybe the first one, but putting out the lights to spring the magnaguard trap means what? Remember Dooku's goal was to capture Anakin wanted to kill.

There is no proof of him being off-balanced. It was clear he didn't perceive the droids to be a major threat since he kept flinging them around and bum-rushing Dooku.

Because a smart person would try to attack someone with the butt or base of a whip, right... The whip was being held vertically with his knuckles aimed which isn't the position you hold when you're striking someone. His arm was obviously close enough for Dooku to reach his forearm so quit the nonsense about it not being a punch or melee hit.

He's not trying to hit Dooku with the base of the whip, Dooku's face is nowhere near. He's flailing it from another strike, which yes he does by swinging it vertically. Hence why the trajectory of the whip is as such:

i.e. headed for the Count.

For all we know Sidious is smiling seeing how aggressive Anakin is and how he draws from dark-energy. Strangling someone in battle isn't a very jedi-like thing to do.

You're going to get knocked down in fight if all you do is retreat and try to block since your attacker doesn't have to worry about your own offense; simple as that.

You mean like Kenobi did on Mustafar? What a nonsense claim.

Originally posted by SunRazer
On the other hand, Anakin overpowering Dooku in saberlocks makes him stronger than Yoda, who wasn't able to do that in over ten seconds of bladelocking with the Count in AotC. And Yoda is most definitely stronger than the Count.

Regardless I've never put too much stock in the duration of blade locks anyway, not when they are so often used as mere plot devices for conversation. For example Anakin & Dooku's bladelock in RotS lasts even longer than Yoda's. So I guess he got weaker?? 😕

However if S4 Anakin was stronger than Yoda, how is it Ventress blocked this:

And was able to do this?

Originally posted by Kurk
Remember Dooku's goal was to capture Anakin wanted to kill.

When did you decide to make this up? Anakin going for the kill? He didn't seek Dooku out, and was simply fighting for his own life.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah Dooku had the high ground. Afterwards though Anakin drives him back, forcing Dooku to use TK to throw him off.

Yes only Dooku's Force powers gave him the advantage over Skywalker in S4.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

However if S4 Anakin was stronger than Yoda, how is it Ventress blocked this:

And was able to do this?

Well to be fair those were both S2 and S3. And the S3 one was against a rage enhanced Ventress, with Skywalker probably holding back on his rage with Kenobi being there.

Thor

Anakin was clearly trying his hardest to kill Dooku. If he was fighting for his life he would have dispatched the droids first instead of ignoring them and bum rushing Dooku who was walking away in the opposite direction with his saber deactivated.

1.) It was clearly a kick to the abdomen not the knees lol (in other words the center of his mass)

2.) Kick which sent Anakin tumbling

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well to be fair those were both S2 and S3. And the S3 one was against a rage enhanced Ventress, with Skywalker probably holding back on his rage with Kenobi being there.

And rage enchanced? OK, as I recall she was actually injured. mmm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
They're both from the same duel in S3 hon,

Ah I see

Originally posted by Beniboybling
the gap between that and Season 4 bring minuscule.

Not sure about that. Think there was definitely a difference Pre-Mortis and Post-Mortis given his fights.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

And rage enchanced? OK, as I recall she was actually injured. mmm

Well she did manage to force choke them both (although Kenobi also seemed injured in the crash).

In any case it was clear the Jedi were holding back.

Originally posted by Kurk
Thor

Anakin was clearly trying his hardest to kill Dooku. If he was fighting for his life he would have dispatched the droids first instead of ignoring them and bum rushing Dooku who was walking away in the opposite direction with his saber deactivated.

It wouldn't have made a difference. If he concentrated on the droids Dooku made that have taken him out from behind.

He was outnumbered and fighting for his life. He had no idea Dooku was going to take him prisoner.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not sure about that. Think there was definitely a difference Pre-Mortis and Post-Mortis given his fights.

Well she did manage to force choke them both (although Kenobi also seemed injured in the crash).

In any case it was clear the Jedi were holding back.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah.

Well let's see, his fights against Dooku post Mortis vs his fights against Savage, Ventress and urmm Hondo pre-Mortis. He was supppsed to be getting BG more powerful every season, but we have confirmation of a vast improvement from S5 to ROTS.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah.

That was for a few seconds.

Was choking both of them though, simultaneously. And it was only stopped when the ship got hit. That's like some serious power up.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Nah.

They like disarmed her and told her to surrender at least twice. Of course they were holding back.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well let's see, his fights against Dooku post Mortis vs his fights against Savage, Ventress and urmm Hondo pre-Mortis. He was supppsed to be getting BG more powerful every season, but we have confirmation of a vast improvement from S5 to ROTS.

Was choking both of them though, simultaneously. And it was only stopped when the ship got hit. That's like some serious power up.

They like disarmed her and told her to surrender at least twice. Of course they were holding back.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Hondo was before the timeskip. Not really seeing the what his performances against Ventress or Savage are supposed to show. On the other hand nowhere is it stated that Mortis made him stronger and you'll have to provide a source on these supposed season power ups.

Noted about the time skip, so we at least agree S4 Anakin is >> S1 and S2 Ani.

Because Dooku > Savage and Ventress combined.

His greatest Force feat was on Mortis so I'm using that as a cut off point. But excluding Mortis, S4 Anakin just generally looks way better than S3 going by the fights I've mentioned. He's also got that Force feat collapsing that underwater structure in S4. And S5 Ani Force choked Ventress.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

For that brief moment yes, not the entire fight.

Huge feat though. And they were looking right at her. Wasn't like when Savage did it to Dooku and Ventress because they were concentrating on each other at the time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

From killing her, that doesn't mean they were going easy.

Shows their level of restraint when they disarmed her not once but twice, yet didn't give her even a slight slash on the arm or something to stop her.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because Dooku > Savage and Ventress combined.

His greatest Force feat was on Mortis so I'm using that as a cut off point. But excluding Mortis, S4 Anakin just generally looks way better than S3 going by the fights I've mentioned.

He's also got that Force feat collapsing that underwater structure in S4. And S5 Ani Force choked Ventress.

Huge feat though. And they were looking right at her. Wasn't like when Savage did it to Dooku and Ventress because they were concentrating on each other at the time.

Shows their level of restraint when they disarmed her not once but twice, yet didn't give her even a slight slash on the arm or something to stop her.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Hah, or not, this assumes that Yoda was trying to overpower Dooku which given he engages him in dialogue doesn't appear to be the case. The junior novel also indicates this.

The junior novel says that Yoda intended to stop Dooku. Overpowering him in a bladelock to disarm him is a perfectly good way of doing that.

And the script has Yoda trying to decapitate Dooku.

Regardless I've never put too much stock in the duration of blade locks anyway, not when they are so often used as mere plot devices for conversation. For example Anakin & Dooku's bladelock in RotS lasts even longer than Yoda's. So I guess he got weaker?? 😕

Yeah, because Dooku was taunting Anakin and making him emotionally unbalanced. The script outright says that Anakin regains his composure afterwards and drives Dooku back - hence it's clear that Anakin had lost his composure during the saberlock. And there's an equivalent scene in the novel.

However if S4 Anakin was stronger than Yoda, how is it Ventress blocked this:

And was able to do this?

That was an enraged Ventress and it wasn't S4 Anakin. It's the same reason as why Maul was able to strain Sidious. You'll note Ventress was still being driven back in the first one.

And even if that wasn't the case, my point doesn't change - she would've simply been drawing on her reserves more and thus would've exhausted herself faster.