Mr. Miyagi vs. Ip Man

Started by Silent Master18 pages
Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't sure it meant Karate kid from DC. That was my first guess. It didn't dawn on me that it meant karate kid the movie with Daniel.

IOW you didn't recognize the name of the movie Miyagi was from.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW you didn't recognize the name of the movie Miyagi was from.
I didn't know KK meant karate kid from the movie. Like I said, I did a lot of posting in another thread.

IOW, I was right.

Originally posted by h1a8
The burden was on me. That means I go first and you address my points. Not me address yours.

The burden was on you to prove that the bottles were empty. Till now you have yet to post proof. Claiming they were props isn't proof. Saying that maybe, just maybe they drunk all the beer already isn't proof. You claim it's empty you show beyond a shadow of a doubt they were empty

Originally posted by FrothByte
The burden was on you to prove that the bottles were empty. Till now you have yet to post proof. Claiming they were props isn't proof. Saying that maybe, just maybe they drunk all the beer already isn't proof. You claim it's empty you show beyond a shadow of a doubt they were empty
I posted the proof. This is a work of fiction not reality. If they writer used empty bottles to make the film then the bottles are empty in the story unless the writer gives some indication that they are not meant to be empty.

Saying that it isn't proof is not a rebuttal. You have to address my points specifically.

Originally posted by h1a8
I posted the proof. This is a work of fiction not reality. If they writer used empty bottles to make the film then the bottles are empty in the story unless the writer gives some indication that they are not meant to be empty.

Saying that it isn't proof is not a rebuttal. You have to address my points specifically.

Unfortunately for you, you also don't have proof that the writer used empty bottles. So again, no proof. Just your theories. You actually have posted nothing that nears being proof, just your opinions. I could easily say that those prop bottles were probably new beer bottles that they got and removed the caps off.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Unfortunately for you, you also don't have proof that the writer used empty bottles. So again, no proof. Just your theories. You actually have posted nothing that nears being proof, just your opinions. I could easily say that those prop bottles were probably new beer bottles that they got and removed the caps off.
They were prop bottles designed to break at the top for the actor.

Originally posted by h1a8
They were prop bottles designed to break at the top for the actor.

In that case, it's a non-feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
They were prop bottles designed to break at the top for the actor.

As Silent said, if this is your argument then you can't use it as a feat, since Miyagi never really broke the bottles.

Originally posted by FrothByte
As Silent said, if this is your argument then you can't use it as a feat, since Miyagi never really broke the bottles.
Miyagi broke them, Pat Morita didn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
Miyagi broke them, Pat Morita didn't.

They were only prop bottles, so it's a non-feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They were only prop bottles, so it's a non-feat.

And Cap and WS never did any of the feats they did since it was all props and cgi.

Originally posted by FrothByte
As Silent said, if this is your argument then you can't use it as a feat, since Miyagi never really broke the bottles.

I have a question. This goes for you too Silent.
It Miyagi did indeed break empty bottles then
what would you rule his potential hand speed and how do you now view the outcome of the fight knowing that Ip will attack first?

Originally posted by h1a8
And Cap and WS never did any of the feats they did since it was all props and cgi.

If you want to go that route, then Ip man wins as Donnie Yen is far more skilled than Pat Morita.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to go that route, then Ip man wins as Donnie Yen is far more skilled than Pat Morita.
Donnie Yen could definitely beat Pat Morita in a fight. That's true.

Originally posted by h1a8
Donnie Yen could definitely beat Pat Morita in a fight. That's true.

Then thread over.

Originally posted by h1a8
And Cap and WS never did any of the feats they did since it was all props and cgi.

Correct, which is why using the argument "because it was props" in the MvF is stupid and should not be used.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have a question. This goes for you too Silent.
It Miyagi did indeed break empty bottles then
what would you rule his potential hand speed and how do you now view the outcome of the fight knowing that Ip will attack first?

The answer is: I don't care what his hand speed was because it's something that regular humans can do. It's a non factor in this fight because there's no feat of Miyagi using strikes like that in a fight, and even if he did it really isn't that impressive.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have a question. This goes for you too Silent.
It Miyagi did indeed break empty bottles then
what would you rule his potential hand speed and how do you now view the outcome of the fight knowing that Ip will attack first?

Why don't we just use visual speed, like you're doing for WS?

Originally posted by FrothByte
The answer is: I don't care what his hand speed was because it's something that regular humans can do. It's a non factor in this fight because there's no feat of Miyagi using strikes like that in a fight, and even if he did it really isn't that impressive.
no human can break the tops off empty bottles.