Spartans (300) vs Orcs (Warcraft)

Leonidas and his warriors head off to the Hot Gates to face a new invading force. But, instead of Persians, the Orcs from Warcraft invade.

The 300 Spartans have their position in the Hot Gates, as they had in the film. The Orcs start where the Persians did, but they are free to approach the attack however they want. As we see in Warcraft, Orcs aren't just brutes. They are capable of planning/tactics. The Orcs are being led by Durotan and Blackhand.

Round 1: The Spartans face 100 Orcs.

Round 2: The Spartans face 300 Orcs.

Round 3: The Spartans face 500 Orcs, but they have the Greek support units they had in the film.

I think the Spartans die in Round 1. They'll make a battle out of it but will end up all dead. They get demolished in round 2.

Edit:

Majority of the orcs will be armed with warhammers and axes and the Spartan shields won't hold up against that... which means their phalanx is almost useless. They won't even have much reach advantage of their spears because the orcs are larger with long-ish weapons of their own.

I think the Orcs take round two, but I think the Spartans might be able to take the first round. The Orcs generally wrecked the humans 1-on-1, with pretty much the only exceptions being Lothar, King Llane, and Khadgar (and he is a wizard, so he doesn't really count). But the general soldiers managed to take them out in 3s and 4s on several occasions. And the Spartans have a good defensive position, and excel at fighting as a unit. Biggest danger for them is the phalanx being compromised, and Orcs getting behind their defenses.

I have no idea about round 3 myself. There were a lot of other Greeks, but they were pretty much all fodder troops.

Edit: You make a good point about the axes and warhammers, actually. Now that I think about it, the Orcs were caving in heavy plate armor with their weapons. Still think the numbers advantage will help though. Like I said, we see that a numerical superiority does help against the Orcs.

Still say the Spartans take round 1. They were clearly portrayed as Superhuman and that will get them the victory

Every Spartan is worth several Lothar's. So they could each take multiple Orc's by themselves.

'Spartans, battle formation'

Spartans don't have armor and their mobility will be severely hampered by their phalanx formation. Then the phalanx formation won't be as much use because I doubt their shield and arms can hold up to a full warhammer hit from an orc. Phalanx only works if you're able to make an impenetrable shield wall. Orcs are too strong for that to work.

Which means they'll probably have to break formation if they want to stand a chance, which means it will be 3 spartans to every 1 orc and I don't think that will go very well for the Spartans.

Also remember that single big orc-like creature that Leonidas fought, remember how easily it waded through multiple spartans.

Originally posted by KingD19
Every Spartan is worth several Lothar's. So they could each take multiple Orc's by themselves.

The Spartans are highly skilled, but I personally think that saying every one is worth several of Lothar is pushing it. Lothar was the most skilled human warrior shown onscreen, in Warcraft, and even one-shotted a Fel-amped Blackhand. And that was after he and Khadgar fought possessed Medivh and his giant golem.

Well every Spartan is roughly Lothar or at least the King going by them being the elite of Warcraft and Spartans being the elite of Greece/Sparta.

I was saying that they are several steps above regular soldiers, and are easily as fast, if not faster than Lothar, and also similarly skilled. They can dance around Orc's and slice them up all day. And 3 Spartans to an Orc is pretty bad odds for the Orc.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well every Spartan is roughly Lothar or at least the King going by them being the elite of Warcraft and Spartans being the elite of Greece/Sparta.

I was saying that they are several steps above regular soldiers, and are easily as fast, if not faster than Lothar, and also similarly skilled. They can dance around Orc's and slice them up all day. And 3 Spartans to an Orc is pretty bad odds for the Orc.

Do you have any proof that they are at least equal to Lothar? I'd put maybe Leonidas in Lothar's skill level, but even Leonidas never went up against the same kind of opponents Lothar did and dispatch them as easily. The one opponent Leonidas had that was as big and strong as an orc nearly killed him. Lothar killed Blackhand in 1 shot and killed multiple other orcs personally.

The orcs are way too fast and powerful.

Firstly, I'd venture to say the Giant Orc Leo fought was stronger than any Orc, and decisively so. Secondly, I don't know what you mean by, they had no armor... They always wore armor, which is one thing I hated about the movie. They wanted to show their abs, not how they truly look. They always wore chest plate armor.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still say the Spartans take round 1. They were clearly portrayed as Superhuman and that will get them the victory

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
The orcs are way too fast and powerful.

Kt lets battlezone this. Prepare to hear an excuse from the pussy in 5, 4, 3

😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Firstly, I'd venture to say the Giant Orc Leo fought was stronger than any Orc, and decisively so. Secondly, I don't know what you mean by, they had no armor... They always wore armor, which is one thing I hated about the movie. They wanted to show their abs, not how they truly look. They always wore chest plate armor.

And how exactly do you know that the Orc Leo fought was stronger than the Warcraft Orcs? The Warcraft Orcs were easily throwing around horses in armor. They were also mostly bigger than the orc that Leonidas fought. Maybe not it height but definitely in weight and muscularity. So what makes you think it was stronger?

As for chest plates... what??? The Spartans in 300 wore nothing but loincloths and capes. They had zero armor to speak of. Not even a gambeson or jerkin.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And how exactly do you know that the Orc Leo fought was stronger than the Warcraft Orcs? The Warcraft Orcs were easily throwing around horses in armor. They were also mostly bigger than the orc that Leonidas fought. Maybe not it height but definitely in weight and muscularity. So what makes you think it was stronger?

As for chest plates... what??? The Spartans in 300 wore nothing but loincloths and capes. They had zero armor to speak of. Not even a gambeson or jerkin.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And how exactly do you know that the Orc Leo fought was stronger than the Warcraft Orcs? The Warcraft Orcs were easily throwing around horses in armor. They were also mostly bigger than the orc that Leonidas fought. Maybe not it height but definitely in weight and muscularity. So what makes you think it was stronger?

As for chest plates... what??? The Spartans in 300 wore nothing but loincloths and capes. They had zero armor to speak of. Not even a gambeson or jerkin.

Well it's ambiguous though. The real Spartan's wore chest plate armor and helmet, and even sometimes leg armor. That movie did an injustice to how they actually looked in battle. So I thought the premise of the thread was... There are 300, all feats from the movie count, they are in the pass to funnel them there... but I didn't think they were also required to have no chest armor (which in reality they did wear) .

The giant orc seemed stronger based on feats. He literally kicked and backhanded a guy like 30 feet in the air. To say nothing of his durability seemingly being better. In their formation, and being superhuman, IMO they get the job done in the first one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I hope you realize everything and anything Kt says isn't rooted in reality and can be easily disproven. If anyone challenges him he will throw excuses because deep down he knows he's awful and lacks the balls to be held accountable.

Actually everything I said was factual, you're just an idiot and have no clue what armor the Spartans wore.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well it's ambiguous though. The real Spartan's wore chest plate armor and helmet, and even sometimes leg armor. That movie did an injustice to how they actually looked in battle. So I thought the premise of the thread was... There are 300, all feats from the movie count, they are in the pass to funnel them there... but I didn't think they were also required to have no chest armor (which in reality they did wear) .

The giant orc seemed stronger based on feats. He literally kicked and backhanded a guy like 30 feet in the air. To say nothing of his durability seemingly being better. In their formation, and being superhuman, IMO they get the job done in the first one.

Since this is the Movie forum, I assume we're only taking into account the movie version of characters, in which case none of the 300 Spartans have any armor or equpiment other than what they wore in the movie.

Also, backhanding a guy through the air is a lot less impressive than easily throwing an armored horse through the air. So what feats does that Orcling have to compare to Warcraft Orcs throwing horses around?