Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please post something showing them "throwing" these horses around.
Did you not watch the movie? Here's one:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I saw nothing the Giant Persian dude couldn't do, and likely easier. Based on which one of those scenes are they stronger?
Wow. Just wow. Did you not watch the clip? At 0:32 one of the orcs picks up a war-horse with armor and throws it probably 20-30 ft away at other soldiers.
That's probably close to 2000 pounds of horseflesh and armor. Name me one feat where the Persian mutant showed the same kind of strength? And don't just say "I think he's just as strong". Post an actual feat of him doing something as impressive.
I did, the way he casually throws grown men is above what the Orcs showed. Sure, the horse feat was likely better, but if they aren't throwing humans around as far, but throw around a horse; then why would I say somebody who threw people further, would somehow not be able to throw a horse? Is that the logic I'm working under here Froth?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I did, the way he casually throws grown men is above what the Orcs showed. Sure, the horse feat was likely better, but if they aren't throwing humans around as far, but throw around a horse; then why would I say somebody who threw people further, would somehow not be able to throw a horse? Is that the logic I'm working under here Froth?
So basically what you're saying is that you have no proof. Got it. Feats are what matters here KT. I can get a mod ruling for you if you want.
Just because the orcs here didn't throw people around like the Persian Orc did doesn't mean they can't. They simply didn't try. The same way that Persian Orc didn't have any feats of smashing his opponents to pulp with one hit, like the orcs here did. Besides, if the persian orc threw a person away 30 ft and Blackhand in this vid threw the horse 30 ft, guess which one is more impressive?
So unless you actually have any feat for the persian orc that trumps throwing an armored horse, then the Warcraft orcs are stronger.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Just because the orcs here didn't throw people around like the Persian Orc did doesn't mean they can't. They simply didn't try. The same way that Persian Orc didn't have any feats of smashing his opponents to pulp with one hit, like the orcs here did. Besides, if the persian orc threw a person away 30 ft and Blackhand in this vid threw the horse 30 ft, guess which one is more impressive?
Actually, there are a few instances in the film where Orcs launch people up through the air, while using upward swings/strikes. Just didn't happen that often, as most Orcs seemed to prefer downward strikes, from overheard, to crush opponents into the ground. But then, it is probably the smarter strategy. Armoured opponents might still survive flying through the air, but squash them against the ground, and it's game over.
Originally posted by FrothByteKt is one of the worst debaters the Internet has ever seen. Evidence bounces off his regard brain and his cowardice will never accept a judged debate because he can't atotuvkate his points, use evidnece to support his conclusions, or even construct a well structured paragraph. He's grossly retarded.
So basically what you're saying is that you have no proof. Got it. Feats are what matters here KT. I can get a mod ruling for you if you want.Just because the orcs here didn't throw people around like the Persian Orc did doesn't mean they can't. They simply didn't try. The same way that Persian Orc didn't have any feats of smashing his opponents to pulp with one hit, like the orcs here did. Besides, if the persian orc threw a person away 30 ft and Blackhand in this vid threw the horse 30 ft, guess which one is more impressive?
So unless you actually have any feat for the persian orc that trumps throwing an armored horse, then the Warcraft orcs are stronger.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDude, everyone who argues with you factually tears you apart and mocks you incessantly. You run from battlezone challenges from everyone. Most recently you dipped out against Nib and bolted from me twice. You're here to be mocked and ridiculed. That's your purpose.
Actually everything I said was factual, you're just an idiot and have no clue what armor the Spartans wore.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically what you're saying is that you have no proof. Got it. Feats are what matters here KT. I can get a mod ruling for you if you want.Just because the orcs here didn't throw people around like the Persian Orc did doesn't mean they can't. They simply didn't try. The same way that Persian Orc didn't have any feats of smashing his opponents to pulp with one hit, like the orcs here did. Besides, if the persian orc threw a person away 30 ft and Blackhand in this vid threw the horse 30 ft, guess which one is more impressive?
So unless you actually have any feat for the persian orc that trumps throwing an armored horse, then the Warcraft orcs are stronger.
Do you know what the word scaling means Froth? Surely you've been around here long enough to know what that means. It's a verifiable form of determining various level of power. That is the only way sometimes. For example, if I see an average Jedi do something I've never seen Yoda do, should I assume he can't? Of course not, that would be illogical, as the chance are he'd be able to and better, not the opposite Froth. Same thing here, The orcs WERE throwing people and smacking them, EVEN with weapons, and they didn't go as far. The Persian dude casually tossed people further. So now you're telling me, okay he did, but since he didn't do that to a horse he can't? That's illogical. It be different if the Orcs weren't show tossing people or smacking people so we had no comparison. WE DO, and the Persian guy sent them flying further. So using scaling, why would I assume he couldn't toss a horse? You do know what scaling means right?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, everyone who argues with you factually tears you apart and mocks you incessantly. You run from battlezone challenges from everyone. Most recently you dipped out against Nib and bolted from me twice. You're here to be mocked and ridiculed. That's your purpose.
Bwhaha... hey loser, don't be mad you've never won a BZ sport, that is your problem you're dumb not ours. I love the rage loop I get you in though. It's so easy with a pansy like you. I've LITERALLY seen you back down from BZ challenges countless times. In fact, one just happened this week, and your like that subject doesn't interest me. Yet, you want me to BZ a topic of ... Who had more Authority Tarkin or Vader LOL. That is a good topic LOL. You're an idiot, and just saying the above once again shows how dumb you are. Yeah, what a solid subject that is lol. Further, I directly challenged you with a skill comparison test between Legolas and Cap... i.e. who shows more skill in killing or disabling foes... You backed down from me like a coward. That you TRIED to bring forth a challenge of, that Bolg doesn't stand a chance in h2h against Cap and would lose quickly and early. I accepted said challenge and then you backed away. This was like a year ago. Don't be mad I clowned you over and over. Even just recently I told Nib we could do a WS vs. Ozy BZ if he'd like. In the VERY thread you say I backed down in... LOL... Idiot. You seem to forget, you're an idiot, and I have no desire to debate a moron in a BZ. Those times you backed down from me, looking back I was like, well why did I even challenge that idiot. Nib is a good guy and a good debater, you, are the complete opposite. Don't be mad I think you're pathetic for never having won a BZ in your life, you are, but I'm sure you're used to that by now. Start the rage loop girly girl so I can laugh at you some more.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you know what the word scaling means Froth? Surely you've been around here long enough to know what that means. It's a verifiable form of determining various level of power. That is the only way sometimes. For example, if I see an average Jedi do something I've never seen Yoda do, should I assume he can't? Of course not, that would be illogical, as the chance are he'd be able to and better, not the opposite Froth. Same thing here, The orcs WERE throwing people and smacking them, EVEN with weapons, and they didn't go as far. The Persian dude casually tossed people further. So now you're telling me, okay he did, but since he didn't do that to a horse he can't? That's illogical. It be different if the Orcs weren't show tossing people or smacking people so we had no comparison. WE DO, and the Persian guy sent them flying further. So using scaling, why would I assume he couldn't toss a horse? You do know what scaling means right?
I rewatched the fight of the Persian giant in 300. Seems you've been doing some blatant exaggerations. That giant only ever sent someone flying once, and he did that with a kick. And even then, he didn't launch the Spartan much further than what Blackhand did when he threw Lothar away, and that's considering that Blackhand threw Lothar away with one hand whereas that Persian giant kicked the Spartan and also considering that Lothar as in full armor. So it seems your entire argument is false. That persian giant never sent multiple people flying with casual hits.
Also in that scene, we see a spartan block that giant's sword blow with his own sword... singlehandedly. So that giant doesn't really seem that strong and he has nowhere near the same feats to indicate he can toss a horse some 20-30 ft away.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I rewatched the fight of the Persian giant in 300. Seems you've been doing some blatant exaggerations. That giant only ever sent someone flying once, and he did that with a kick. And even then, he didn't launch the Spartan much further than what Blackhand did when he threw Lothar away, and that's considering that Blackhand threw Lothar away with one hand whereas that Persian giant kicked the Spartan and also considering that Lothar as in full armor. So it seems your entire argument is false. That persian giant never sent multiple people flying with casual hits.Also in that scene, we see a spartan block that giant's sword blow with his own sword... singlehandedly. So that giant doesn't really seem that strong and he has nowhere near the same feats to indicate he can toss a horse some 20-30 ft away.
Wut??? I'm doing blatant exaggerations? That's rich. You say you watch the fight, yet didn't see him throw anybody? So you didn't watch the fight then? He literally throw Leonidas as he was on the ground. Probably sent him a good 15-20 feet with one arm and casually. The kick was MUCH further than the backhand you're referring. The guy flew a good 30 feet or more already, and then hit a wall of bodies (HIGH up the wall I might add not almost coming down). He would've flown even further had he not, and it was still easily further. So I ask again, do you know what scaling means?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wut??? I'm doing blatant exaggerations? That's rich. You say you watch the fight, yet didn't see him throw anybody? So you didn't watch the fight then? He literally throw Leonidas as he was on the ground. Probably sent him a good 15-20 feet with one arm and casually. The kick was MUCH further than the backhand you're referring. The guy flew a good 30 feet or more already, and then hit a wall of bodies (HIGH up the wall I might add not almost coming down). He would've flown even further had he not, and it was still easily further. So I ask again, do you know what scaling means?
I know what scaling means, and you're using it incorrectly. You're strawmanning it to make up for your lack of feats.
Here's the Spartan fight against the Persian giant. Tell me which timestamp you're referring to regarding those throws and backhands you're claiming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWqQBe7QI-c
I also noticed how you conveniently ignored the fact that a Spartan was able to block that Persian Giant's blow with a single handed block of his sword.
You also have a very nasty habit of exaggerating distances when it suits you. You've exaggerated the distance Rorsch flew while at the same time downplaying the distance that Winter Soldier kicked that soldier at the jet. So pardon me if I don't respect your estimation of distances. You've proven to be completely biased and unreliable.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I know what scaling means, and you're using it incorrectly. You're strawmanning it to make up for your lack of feats.Here's the Spartan fight against the Persian giant. Tell me which timestamp you're referring to regarding those throws and backhands you're claiming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWqQBe7QI-c
I also noticed how you conveniently ignored the fact that a Spartan was able to block that Persian Giant's blow with a single handed block of his sword.
You also have a very nasty habit of exaggerating distances when it suits you. You've exaggerated the distance Rorsch flew while at the same time downplaying the distance that Winter Soldier kicked that soldier at the jet. So pardon me if I don't respect your estimation of distances. You've proven to be completely biased and unreliable.
I'm not using it incorrectly at all, I don't think you know how it applies. You throw around words like strawmanning in the hopes that you'll different attention away from the scaling. The fight is clear Froth, I don't need to hold your hand through this like I do other times when you're completely clueless. If you want to start making personal digs, we can certainly go that route as well. The simply reality is this, and it's there for all to see. We are talking about comparing how far they either tossed humans or hit humans. I was very clear on this point. I even referenced the Orcs were using weapons to hit people and they still didn't go as far. There is no disputing this. So what I'm asking you is, if the giant Persian dude was shown hitting somebody further than an Orc was shown doing.... Why would I assume The Giant couldn't throw a horse the same way or further than the Orc showed. That is my question to you Froth.. why would I assume that?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not using it incorrectly at all, I don't think you know how it applies. You throw around words like strawmanning in the hopes that you'll different attention away from the scaling. The fight is clear Froth, I don't need to hold your hand through this like I do other times when you're completely clueless. If you want to start making personal digs, we can certainly go that route as well. The simply reality is this, and it's there for all to see. We are talking about comparing how far they either tossed humans or hit humans. I was very clear on this point. I even referenced the Orcs were using weapons to hit people and they still didn't go as far. There is no disputing this. So what I'm asking you is, if the giant Persian dude was shown hitting somebody further than an Orc was shown doing.... Why would I assume The Giant couldn't throw a horse the same way or further than the Orc showed. That is my question to you Froth.. why would I assume that?
I already did your research for you and posted the clip. All you need to do now is tell me the timestamp of the feat you're referring to. You claim that the persian Orc can throw people further. Fine, either back it up with feats or it never happened.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I already did your research for you and posted the clip. All you need to do now is tell me the timestamp of the feat you're referring to. You claim that the persian Orc can throw people further. Fine, either back it up with feats or it never happened.
I said STRIKE OR THROW. I even reference the Orcs USING WEAPONS and them still not going as far. What is unclear about this. Either you don't know how to scale or you're being blatantly disingenuous. Which is it? Likely both. You're clearly being disingenuous, because you SAID at no time did the Giant throw anybody, and you said you JUST watched the clip. Blatantly false. He THREW the damn main character of the movie, yet you saw no throw.... I see, and you JUST watched the clip. Odd
Kurupt, why can't you "atotuvkate" your points!? You big dummy!
Anyhow, you're not representing the WC Orcs fairly, imo. They're far above the Spartans in strength, ridiculously so. The Spartans might win the first round if they're able to kill enough Orcs with thrown spears before the horde crashes into their phalanx, but they're suffering heavy casualties for that win.
Round 2 and 3, I think we all agree the Orcs take this one.
Originally posted by Robtard
Kurupt, why can't you "atotuvkate" your points!? You big dummy!Anyhow, you're not representing the WC Orcs fairly, imo. They're far above the Spartans in strength, ridiculously so. The Spartans might win the first round if they're able to kill enough Orcs with thrown spears before the horde crashes into their phalanx, but they're suffering heavy casualties for that win.
Round 2 and 3, I think we all agree the Orcs take this one.
LOL Big Rob, do you see the rage loop I got Quan in LMAO. It's too easy with Quanshoes.
Agreed man, I do think they lose in rounds 2 and 3 and we've stated. I think they win round one though. We were only discussing if The Orcs were stronger than the Giant Persian. Froth is saying certainly so, and I strongly disagree with that notion. Besides that point, I think we are all mostly in agreement... Hopefully that was "atotuvkate" well enough
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I said STRIKE OR THROW. I even reference the Orcs USING WEAPONS and them still not going as far. What is unclear about this. Either you don't know how to scale or you're being blatantly disingenuous. Which is it? Likely both. You're clearly being disingenuous, because you SAID at no time did the Giant throw anybody, and you said you JUST watched the clip. Blatantly false. He THREW the damn main character of the movie, yet you saw no throw.... I see, and you JUST watched the clip. Odd
The only time I saw that giant "throw" Leonidas was when he tossed him something like 5-10 ft away. Surely that can't be what you were referring to since you kept saying how he was easily throwing people vastly further than the Warcraft orcs. So I'm still waiting for your evidence. Why don't you do what any proper debater does and actually post proof and feats.